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dani turns to mad queen in 1 ep
jon has been useless
bran has been useless
tyrion has been useless
cersei dying by rubble, what
the whole NK arc done in 1 ep
arya with the plot armor, how she still alive after all that
anti-air with precise aim in 1 ep, turns to stormtroopers on the next
I thought I cancelled the subscription right after I signed up, but apparently I only cancelled the "HBO" part. the crave part was seperate o well only $11
my guess for the ending :
Danerys tries to have Drogon burn Jon but his Targaryen immunity to fire kicks in and everyone who’s left sees he’s the true heir to the throne.
Arya Kills Danerys
Sansa becomes queen
Man some people like to nitpick. I just enjoy the entertainment. Sure I’ve questioned things along the way but then I just carry on, forget about it and continue to watch.
Yes, it seems rushed now but I’d guess that’s the studios decision, perhaps with feedback from people who work on set and don’t love the long days. This show is a beast. I’d imagine the writers everyone is complaining about would prefer to ride this cash cow as long as they could in their comfy work environments.
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A reddit user leaked what was gonnna happen in EP 4/5/6 about a week ago and got 95% right about the plot in EP 4/5. Apparently they filmed multiple endings for the series finale to throw off people so no source or user is confident as of now.
Production cost is the main factor for why they couldn't extend this show into more seasons. Hell, they even reduced it from the normal 10 episodes to 8, remember?
HBO has said time and time again that they had no issue giving D&D whatever they needed to fully complete the story in terms of money or resources. It's D&D's own arrogance in thinking they could do it in abbreviated seasons that has ruined an otherwise excellent show
Think about it for a second. This is HBO'S cash cow, so they had no reason to end it so quickly. There's a reason that they have 4 GoT spin offs being produced after news of the show ending came out
^ unless the spinoffs have been proposed to be done with cheaper talent, sets etc. Then HBO can look at this from a profit margin perspective and encourage them to end GOT ASAP.
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Her "build" went from "she's making some rash decisions, and people don't trust her in the North"
to... This...
Many, many, flaws in the previous episode, but Dany’s Character has definitely remained consistent. She’s actually never shown any extraordinary traits of leadership throughout the series, and has essentially relied entirely on her advisers to govern.
A reddit post I came across perfectly highlighted how Dany’s actions in the last episode were completely consistent with her character.
Spoiler!
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
Many, many, flaws in the previous episode, but Dany’s Character has definitely remained consistent. She’s actually never shown any extraordinary traits of leadership throughout the series, and has essentially relied entirely on her advisers to govern.
A reddit post I came across perfectly highlighted how Dany’s actions in the last episode were completely consistent with her character.
Spoiler!
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
If this show came out 10 years ago, people would find no faults, it always makes me laugh how much we take for granted the level of quality in TV shows nowadays.
Episode was alright to me, not as terrible as the nerds are portraying it on YouTube.
My only main letdown is that I've been waiting the entire series to see Sersei killed in the most brutal way possible, instead she dies to a damn rock pillar. What a letdown.
Maybe she's still alive, and gets captured next episode?
Varys got executed for simply telling Jon that he'd be a good king. she might as well have just killed everyone who already knew the secret. also, it's a little dumb of the spymaster to be sticking around when he no longer supports her (and Tyrion already knows his stance). And even dumber to be trying to stir shit up right before the battle against Cersei. What the hell would have happened if Jon said he wanted the throne... not like he'd win against Dany or Cersei by himself. This issue would make way more sense to leave until after the battle.
He didn't just tell Jon that Jon would be a good king, he tried to poison Daenerys in the beginning of the episode.
Yeah everyone is way too critical. Is the plot a bit rushed? Sure. Are the characters we grew to love acting in a somewhat contrary manner? Perhaps. But we just watched a feature length episode where a freaking dragon laid waste to a real life city (Dubrovnik, Croatia) - with some CGI help of course. I don't know, but that's worth the fucking price of admission alone.
^ unless the spinoffs have been proposed to be done with cheaper talent, sets etc. Then HBO can look at this from a profit margin perspective and encourage them to end GOT ASAP.
Why would the new spinoffs have any effect on HBO wanting to end the seasons asap when the spinoff news didn't hit until after D&D announced abbreviated season 7 and 8?
Yeah everyone is way too critical. Is the plot a bit rushed? Sure. Are the characters we grew to love acting in a somewhat contrary manner? Perhaps. But we just watched a feature length episode where a freaking dragon laid waste to a real life city (Dubrovnik, Croatia) - with some CGI help of course. I don't know, but that's worth the fucking price of admission alone.
Yes... Because dragons burning down cities is what made GOT great.
You are correct though, these episodes are still entertaining.
Why would the new spinoffs have any effect on HBO wanting to end the seasons asap when the spinoff news didn't hit until after D&D announced abbreviated season 7 and 8?
News can be withheld until convenient to release.. not saying that’s the case here but from a business prospective, spinning off 4 more profitable shows would make sense. Business is business.
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Some of the actors won't want to... I recall reading as part of Season 8 filming that Kit Harrington said he couldn't wait for it to end and he was so done with the show.
That said, he could change his tune pretty fast when his fat paycheques aren't rolling in anymore and he realizes he's forever typecast as Jon Snow lol
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