It's not just the fact that it's easier like I said I could care less than to eat 15 meals a day and spend the time effort and money to prepare cook and eat meals. I can eat the same way I'm eating now and with the help of juice get more results faster, cheaper, and easier than someone who is dieting perfectly, and spending shit loads on foods and sups. The negative stigma that is surrounded by steroids is the media's clever web of lies and misdirection regarding use and abuse propagated by it being illegal and therefore the "war on drugs" spills over to Steroids.

Why go to the gym? Oh to get stronger, bigger, better muscles. Well steroids do that. They do it damn well. When taken properly and in moderation. Do you think I like taking a year to gain a few pounds? Does anyone?

Case in point is OP from this thread. He's gained more in 10 weeks than he has in a year. I'd call that money well spent.

Berz out.

And this is why people do not talk about gear to the public lol
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Exactly. And trying to tell people that everything they think they know about them is wrong... is like talking to Skinnypup. haha.

Berz out.

Where did I disagree with anything said here? :fulloffuck:

I just said I don't get using extremely strong drugs just to get big. That is ME. For YOU it might make total sense. If you are going to try to explain it, 'defending' steroids is not necessary.

I was just poking at you. I know you understand them :)

Berz out.

so.. how much do steroids cost?

There free
Most Popeyes gives them away with celltech
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... and how long does one cycle last and how much would you gain in muscle about?

If you get on a good diet plan and eat about 5000calories worth of pizza, breadsticks, and hamburgers a day, all while scarfing down ~200G worth of protein from whey shakes ... and if you train for 3 hours a day and grunt + scream + stare down smaller guys while you're at the gym ..

Probably be benching like 350, squatting 500, and deadlifting 600 realistically.


you'll probably be able to do tricep kickbacks with 80's, do 2 at a time so it looks like you're milking two invisible cocks at the same time like the homo you are :troll:

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Around 500$ is a good estimate for a cycle of 12 weeks or so. You can expect to keep 20lbs real muscle. Gains up to 30ish pounds are common but some of that is water weight that goes away when you come off. I've never gained less than 15 pounds real muscle and that was on a shitty shitty cycle (my first one).

Berz out.

Do 3 months d Bol :troll:
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thinking of trying my first cycle

12 weeks
500mg of test c(250 mon, 250 thurs)/ week
week 13 and 14 break
pct: clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks

anyone gimme any advice, feedback, opinions on this?

age:21
5'7 about 165lbs
workout bout 3-4 times a week
diets been pretty good(could use a little work, but with school and work diet can be a little difficult)

when you do roids you workout everyday.

seriously stop asking here, you will only get bad advice. and dont talk to gym rats because they are idiots. So many roided out goofs at the YMCA.

i'm joining the darkside and doing TestE/Tren-A/Dbolkickstart/Proviron cycle next year most likely heheheh

u r so not ready
me and strykn should be guest speakers at gym, give us 10 percent of what you would spend and we will talk to u for one hour and u will see gains like no other

Halo people know what to do usually, but it's so much funner to do curls and drink muscle milk instead of lifting heavy and eating lots.
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Look @ stats.....:fulloffuck:. And you want to go on gear already. Do you even lift?

Sooo Berz ... you've been juicing for a decade but can only do 5 widegrip pullups
...somethings not right....LoL!


Ultimately it's your body, do what you want with it. But it's frustrating for us naturals to see you juicers explode overnight (usually when the sun comes out)

When I started the gym everybody was so huge, now, 2 years later i'm bigger than most of the guys I looked up to. I got a lil bigger, but they got wayyy smaller, like they got the super aids or something...makes me soooo happy!

Like you said ... it's easier to juice than to eat right ... you're forgetting, weightlifting isn't about things being easier!!!!

Damn Cheaters........

Where did I say I've been juicing for a decade? I did my first cycle when I was 20. 16 years ago. I did 3 more after that about 2 years apart. I also stopped working out for long lengths of time due to various reasons. Injuries, relationships, work, etc. I have been actively lifting again since June and I was 185lbs. Before that I hadn't lifted in 3 years (I was 230lbs when I stopped lifting)
So I could look at you and say I've only been lifting weights for 6 months and I'm already pulling 4 plates and squatting 3 plates. I weigh 200lbs now so I've gained 15 lbs in 6 months but realistically that was in 5 months as my weight hasn't gone up at all in about 5 weeks. My caloric intake isn't sufficient to sustain my growth levels at this point. As for the wide grip pull ups.. I neglected my back and legs all my years of training. I've admitted that from the get go. Shoulders Chest Abs and Arms Brah. Typical juicemonkey douchbag right? Besides chicks don't stroke your back and ooh and ahh they stroke abs and chest Brah.
My personal preference is to not juice until I have built up a decent enough base. That usually happens around 200-205lbs. Then I crank and pop up to 220-230. This next time will be interesting as I don't see any problems continuing lifting after I've completed the cycle. Job is steady, life is steady. No worries no bullshit.

Next cycle will be starting February..... ;)

Berz out.

Berz has a point, chicks are scared of my back
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I like the last part
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Why do people think juicing is "easy" usually guys who are on crank are lifting a lot fucking harder a lot more often than those who aren't. How is that "easy"?

Berz out.

Just a personal observation, but when I see juicers at the gym, they are usually there the longest, but doing the weakest ass workouts of anyone. Maybe it's just the training program they're on, with a lot of high volume isolation work, or maybe they do their 'hard' workout later in the day, but when I see a ripped 250 lb guy with bacne at the gym, they are usually taking it pretty easy.

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