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1 point taken away for kicking a downed opponent.

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Originally Posted by ws6ta (Post 7257359)

well this guy will be getting a nice settlement

cept it wouldn't be much use if that kick further disabled him from his previous brain injury

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Originally Posted by bengy (Post 7257141)

Wow, pretty retarded thinking. What do you think takes the cop less time and effort to do? Boot a guy in the head if he tries to pull out a gun, or put a clip in him from his handgun??? Duuuurrrrr!!!

so the cop should just wait till the risk has escalated to the point where shooting is acceptable? lol

obviously shooting is not an option as he was trying to make it so.
giving a full booting in the head might've not been the best way but i think it was a considerable option.

Do u think its best for the cop to give benefit of doubt and let him slowly respond to the orders?

leaving out all the hindsight,
no one else feels that
shots fired + suspect is slow at responding = a high threat that needs to be nutralized immediately?

^ except, in my non professional opinion (similar to EVERYONE in this thread), the arrest has already passed the highest threat stage. he has the suspect out of the truck and on his hands and knees. the suspect had already cooperated with getting out of the truck which is the most dangerous part.

at what point would a kick to the head be unjustified? im sure some of you guys could make an argument when hes cuffed laying flat out on his stomach, if the cop booted him in the head, it was still justifiable.

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Do not bring in the hindsight of him having a permit to shoot guns[QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that the exact reason for the longgun/shotgun registry.

Here I'm thinking we're all safe in the knowledge that the police have all the info they could ever want from or about law abiding citizens who are legally permitted to posess,carry and use firearms.

Didn't we just spend 2 billion dollars ensuring that a simple computer check on any of the following name/address or plate number can verify on the spot the document(s) that this victim has everyright to go about his profession.

I like how the rcmp took the guy for an mri the following day only after the vid started going viral. I wish the vid had been held back just so we could have been lied to by again by the rcmp's PR spin doctors, Only to laugh as they have to back pedal when the vid came out just like they did over the airport arrest/murder. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by geeknerd (Post 7258303)

No one feels that way. Why? cause the cop has his gun drawn at the suspect and he has backup. Hes in complete control of the entire situation. Theres is no possible way the cop is in any risk of getting hurt, even if the suspect has any type of weapon on him cause it takes a split second for the cop to pull the trigger.

nope, suicide bomber coulda still fucked him up

normally im a pro cop, and let them do there job kinda guy
but this one is too much for me even

if he kicked him in the spine i would have been ok with it, as at least that is in the direction you want the guy to go

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I wish I could kick a dude in the face and get suspended with pay....... Complete bullshit
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Something to think about regarding suspension with pay (it's a part of the BC Police Act):

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Member's reassignment or suspension pending investigation and hearing
110 (1) If a member is being investigated under this Division or as a result of an allegation that the member committed an offence under a federal or provincial enactment, the discipline authority for that member may, until the completion of the investigation, reassign, transfer or suspend the member, if both of the following apply:

(a) the discipline authority considers that

(i) reassignment, transfer or suspension of the member is needed to protect other members or other persons from the risk of harm,

(ii) failure to reassign, transfer or suspend the member is likely to discredit the reputation of the municipal police department, or

(iii) there are reasonable grounds to believe that the member is incapable of carrying out her or his regular duties as a constable;

(b) the discipline authority considers that there is no reasonable alternative available to reassignment, transfer or suspension.

(2) During a period of suspension from duty, the member must not exercise powers as a municipal constable, chief constable or deputy chief constable and must not wear the uniform or use the equipment of the municipal police department.

(3) At the earliest opportunity, and in any event within 10 business days after the suspension, the discipline authority must decide whether the suspension is to continue in effect or is to be rescinded with or without conditions.

(4) Unless subsection (5) applies, a member under suspension for a period within which that member, if not suspended, would have worked one or more days must receive her or his pay and allowances for the number of days that she or he could have worked during the period of suspension had the suspension not been imposed.

(5) If at any time the board decides that it is in the public interest, the board may require that a suspension under subsection (1) be without pay or may discontinue the pay and allowances of the member under suspension.

(6) Before the board makes a decision under subsection (5), the board must give the member an opportunity to be heard by

(a) notifying the member in writing of the member's right to request, within 5 business days after receiving the notification, an opportunity to be heard, and

(b) giving the member the opportunity to be heard within 20 business days of receiving the request under paragraph (a).

(7) If the board makes a decision under subsection (5), the board must give the member concerned written reasons for the decision.

(8) The board may reconsider a decision under subsection (5) at any time.

(9) A member must receive her or his full pay and allowances for any unpaid period of suspension if all of the following apply:

(a) the suspension related to an investigation resulting from an allegation that she or he committed an offence under a federal or provincial enactment;

(b) the member is either acquitted of all charges in proceedings before a criminal court or the charges are withdrawn, stayed or otherwise not proceeded with;

(c) no disciplinary or corrective measures are taken in relation to the member for the acts or omissions that constituted the alleged offence.

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bcl..._01#section110

I think the RCMP have something similar...

Well, the cop got suspended with pay. :whistle:

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According to the RCMP, a Kelowna Mountie will be suspended with pay while being investigated for use of excessive force after he was caught on video giving a soccer style boot to Tavares’s head.

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Meanwhile outrage built to a fever pitch online Monday as Facebook users demanded criminal charges against the undercover officer, identified in reports as Constable Geoff Mantler.

I went to school with the officer/punter and he was a really nice kid. I guess the "reprogramming" that happens in training, and dealing with undesirables all day can take its toll awfully quickly.

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Originally Posted by nns (Post 7259228)

Something to think about regarding suspension with pay (it's a part of the BC Police Act):

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bcl..._01#section110

I think the RCMP have something similar...

Sorry to bust your police dick riding babble, but I'm not reading all that shite. :fullofwin:

Did I say precede my previous post with something like, "Will bengy, the idiot lovechild of diarrhea and vomit, please read the following so that you may finally unlock IQ level above 20"...? Did I say something like that?

No, I did not. Hence, you are in no way shape or form obligated to read all that "shite". That "shite" already in your head clearly has you working OT.

what would happen if the incident was not taped?

the guy who got booted in the head speaks

^
wow his eye is fucked up!

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Originally Posted by benwang (Post 7259437)

what would happen if the incident was not taped?

"Cops apprehended suspect believed to be armed and dangerous after a 911 call was placed saying that shots were fired at a near by golf course. When the cops pulled over the suspect he was not compliant and was resisting arrest. Hes been takin to the nearby hospital for minor injuries during the brief scuffle"

He looks like he's in good spirits from that video which is nice to know

interview with the guy

i feel so bad for the guy. after what hes gone thru. it has to be so hard for him getting back into life after his accident..

Damn, I hope that cop loses his job for sure...We DO NOT need cops like that
This is an embarassment to law enforcement everywhere

lets not forget what this guy did. he was disgruntled at his job shooting his shotgun. if he didnt get kicked in the face, people would just think hes a piece of shit and he would be in jail. but since he was involved in police brutality, now everyone is feeling bad for this guy and totally forget what even started this off to begin with.

on another note, i live in kelowna so im happy that cop is fucking finished.

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Originally Posted by lust (Post 7264971)

If he didn't get kicked in the face we wouldn't even know about this guy.

Anyone who has been licensed to own and operate firearms knows that the shotgun was being carried improperly. While it doesn't excuse the actions taken to subdue the guy it lends an explanation for their heightened diligence.

Despite him being allowed to own and operate a shotgun, he was doing it improperly which -is- a crime

how was he transporting it improperly? as a non restricted fire arm i believe it only needs to be out of sight and with a trigger lock.