Craze makes my heart rate fucking high even at resting anyone else get this feel? higher then EC...

you usually sensitive to stims?

fuck no i take EC like skittles lol i sleep like a baby on all PWOs but craze is the only one that makes me uncomfortable when squatting/deading/ high intensity... even more than clen

weird. I feel more relaxed on craze than 1MR or Razor 8. :considered:

cliff notes plz?

-FDA and DEA have tested Craze and no amphetamines.
-Class action lawsuits in California can be filed without proof
-A person made a class action suit against Driven Sports claiming there were amphetamines in Craze because he did not get any results.

Still listening

assault is buy 2 get 1 free right now!

wow its over. that was fast

tried a full scoop of assault today... i think it was a bit too much lol

had 2/3 scoop of assault, i worked 1 hour 30 min non-stop ... and hurt my neck... now I have a stiff-neck,................

I actually like Assault... Even though it has a lot of useless stuff thrown in, the stuff that should work does work.

That said.. green apple is gross :heckno:

how the hell do you workout fasted with so much caffeine? even if im well fed i get slight light headedness .. scared to see what'd happen with assault :heckno:

+1 on Assault. The blue flavor isn't that bad. I've been using Assault for 2 months now and still loving it.

I guess you are just less tolerant to it... I have my caffeine intake nailed down pretty well... 100mg first thing, then the 200mg (I don't use a full scoop) in Assault. Then I have another 100-200mg with my 'breakfast' in the form of a milk tea or yin yeung.. then that's it for the day, although sometimes I will have a Coke Zero when I get home (that's only around 30mg though IIRC)

In addition to Assault I am starting the day with 25g of whey isolate (chugged down before my caffeine drink), 100mcg huperzine A, 750mg oxiracetam, 900mg Alpha GPC

Caffeine is really good for you in moderate doses, and works great with fasting. Figure out what works for you, and stick to it.

Since Jack3d is no longer available has anyone found something just as good or better? I heard a few good things about Juggernaut by Infinite labs.

Anyone know where I can get Juggernaut by Infinite Labs locally?

^ Fuel in Kits

For those of you who have tried juggernaut, how does it do?

stopped feeling the effects of neurocore and i still got 2 tubs fuck lol

Just gonna start using EC and beta alanine... i get an extreme feeling of well being-alpha-rage-dgaf when I take EC in the mornings pretty kewl

i think ima get back on that EC as well, been going back to cardio now, planning on losing 20lbs at least by the end of summer :D

i think supplements work different for different people, so only you could come tell us if you still got that "pump"

Caffeine has nothing to do with the pumping effects of pwos, and in fact is a vasoconstrictor

cellucor c4 is great. ive been using assault for the past year, maybe a bit more and found that assault ruins my appetite. c4 doesnt do that and gives a crazy pump

I believe pump has to do with the creatine and no2, correct me if im wrong :p

please elaborate on why you think that's true