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RRxtar 01-18-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by drunkrussian (Post 7269935)
so let's look at your link:
"bad guys" to "good guys" killed: 15219 : 3994 --> roughly 4:1
"bad guys" to "good guys" injured: 1824: 9044 --> roughly 1:5

therefore, for every 4 enemies killed, 1 innocent person is as well. For every 1 enemy injured, 5 innocents are injured.

of course more civilians will be injured but not killed than bad guys. when a good guy shoots at a bad guy, they intend to kill them, which happens 8 out of every 10 times. if the coalition was going around shooting everyone, you would think the number of civilian deaths would be alot more than 1.5 out of every 10 times, no?

and its been well reported that the bad guys like to hide amongst civilian women and children. so for the ratio of badguys killed to civilians killed to be 10:1, i think its not so bad. but im not a war expert.

StylinRed 01-18-2011 04:30 PM

they kill civilians indiscriminately when the bombing campaign is going on they'll bomb anything (as documented) hence the hundreds of thousands of civilians dead after the initial bombing. its kind of like the KMT when they believed even if they killed 1000 ppl its okay because 1 of them might/will be an enemy

drunkrussian 01-18-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7270223)
they kill civilians indiscriminately when the bombing campaign is going on they'll bomb anything (as documented) hence the hundreds of thousands of civilians dead after the initial bombing. its kind of like the KMT when they believed even if they killed 1000 ppl its okay because 1 of them might/will be an enemy

funniest part is, they bomb anythint like u said not giving a fuck to win the war. then when its done they spemd billions rebuilding the shit theu destroyed thus debting themselves. in the end everyone loses haha
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Nightwalker 01-19-2011 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by drunkrussian (Post 7270387)
funniest part is, they bomb anythint like u said not giving a fuck to win the war. then when its done they spemd billions rebuilding the shit theu destroyed thus debting themselves. in the end everyone loses haha
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Unfortunately, there's lots of winners. Banks, weapon manufacturers, defense contractors, etc etc.

Not even considering all the money that just up and disappeared over there to people who are definitely not losing.

Brianrietta 01-19-2011 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by drunkrussian (Post 7269935)
But what I was really saying was that the amount of friendly fire u.s deaths right now is staggering, and way higher than in previous wars, despite better training and equipment - your numbers don't show this. Moreover, many of these deaths are covered up and denied - often miscategorized as an "enemy death" to improve the stats. this is a fact. Do one of your google searches for "US friendly fire casualties" and you'll see a stack of articles and blogs from various media outlets regarding the issue. For a concrete example, google the Pat Tillman story.


Keep in mind as well that there is no defined battle lines in this war, no "the enemy is on the other side of that river, and friendlies everywhere behind you". Occupation of a large area with enemies who don't fit the classic profile of an enemy soldier is obviously going to create for far more opportunities for friendly fire incidents than large scale trench combat for example. I would imagine that the initial invasion of Iraq and Afganistan suffered far less casualties from friendly fire as the ensuing occupation and counterinsurgency.

moomooCow 01-20-2011 02:24 AM

Interesting read: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...aks/index.html

Spoiler!


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