Nokia - A Sinking Ship?

[PUPPY]

so what's going to happen to the n9 now? if it comes out it'll be using a dead/dying OS ..

[StylinRed]

it may not even come out at all pupps

and yeah there really isnt any point in buying a Symbian or Meego device since there won't be any support

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by yuusha

I have to say those concept Nokia WP7 phones are looking damn sexy.

I wonder what Nokia's going to do in order to differentiate its phones from other WP7 devices... what it's going to do to bring WP7 to a state where it can take back market share from Google and Apple.

Well apparently Nokia have full allowance to customize WP7 however they want however Elop says they won't be doing that because they don't want fragmentation from the rest of the pack -_-


wp7 can't even cut&paste or multitask etc etc atm -_-

earliest WP7 Nokia phone won't be getting released until Christmas @ the earliest (knowing Nokia that means 2012)

Stupid move by Elop, imo, to announce that SYmbian/Meego are dead and obliterating the R&D budget for Symbian a year before they'll even have a WP7 phone

[Hehe]

I think it was a very stupid move by Nokia.

Elop, as of now, is just a trojan horse for MS. If everything turns sour, MS can either walk away or buy Nokia at bargain prices.

For a phone company the size of Nokia, I don't see why they didn't choose to offer phones in various platforms. Better yet, imagine they start to build a Nokia-compatible device, a hardware platform where all OSes are an option Sorta like how a PC is able to accomodate MacOS, Windows, Linux... etc

Nowadays, what makes a mobile platform stands out is SERVICE!! iOS has an excellent app store while android has the openess plus perfect integration with google apps.

If I were Elop, I would go multi-platform while starting to develop mobile services (from free to premium and beyond current offerings.. like payment gateway, security... etc) for all platforms. A seemlessly cross-platform service provider beyond what google has to offer to iOS and android.

With BETTER services once in place comparing to other competition, they can offer phones with some degrees on optimization and advantage. (Similar to what HTC is doing with SENSE) With the resource that Nokia has, I am sure they could pull sth awesome off

[KidRobot]

lol.. ms knows how to take over

[PUPPY]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

it may not even come out at all pupps

and yeah there really isnt any point in buying a Symbian or Meego device since there won't be any support

which means the e7 is going to be a useless phone too
i was looking forward to buying a new nokia soon

[breh]

Good move. I would've preferred Android but ANYTHING is better than sticking with a dinosaur like Symbian.

[moomooCow]

Yeah I was really looking forward to getting the E7 but if they're not going to support symbian any more then that seems like it'd be a stupid choice if I bought it.

[PUPPY]

Originally Posted by breh

Good move. I would've preferred Android but ANYTHING is better than sticking with a dinosaur like Symbian.

you seem to be the only one saying this
why do you think nokia partnering up with MS is a good thing? explain

[Senna4ever]

Why do you think it's not a bad idea?

[StylinRed]

I'll kind of be re-iterating here but

it wouldnt be a horrible idea if they didnt announce the death of symbian when the earliest we can expect a wp7 device is at the end of the year that's if Microsoft creates the Dev tools without issue for Nokia in time (they aren't going to be creating the os/developing it for nokia at all other than creating dev tools) And then it depends on Nokia releasing something on schedule.... (lol)


By announcing Symbians death a year-2years before Nokia won't be dependent on it Elop essentially killed support for Symbian externally (many developers have ceased projects that are in development) and has killed support internally (if you look at the R&D forecast). He killed interest by the public in it as well who's going to buy a symbian smartphone when there's no support and no devs?


Also WP7 has a lot of hurdles it has to get through atm

wp7 currently doesnt have:
no system-wide file manager
no Bluetooth file transfers
no USB mass storage mode
no Flash (nor Silverlight) support in the browser
dependent on Zune software for file management and syncing
no video calls
new ringtones available only through Marketplace
music player lacks equalizer presets
no multitasking
no copy/paste
no DivX/XviD video support
Bing maps doesn’t have free Navigation (supposedly there will be a free version on nokia phones except it will be riddled with Advertisements)
no internet tethering support
no handwriting recognition support
no support for usb-on-the-go
no support for hdmi

Everything Symbian had...


Not only this but Nokia has given up its technology to Microsoft technology that will be integrated into WP7 for use across all device makers using WP7 (lg, samsung, htc, etc)

How will Nokia remain Unique here? when all WP7 phones will be running Ovi Maps (likely to be coined as Bing Maps) using the OviStore etc etc etc etc (dont really want to reiterate so much)

And on top of all that Nokia will be paying Microsoft Royalties and not the other way around! (as part of the deal they've given many features away to microsoft for free such as Maps)

+ Nokia has pissed off a massive list of Developers and partners such as Intel and its QT wing (with clients like Dreamworks etc, who upgraded all their animation tools to run on QT) all its supporters and partners essentially


So now Nokia will be in limbo for, at the very least, 1year until the WP7 devices roll out during this time they could die... literally

They've risked it all with nothing to fall back on... when they could have easily placed safeguards until they were 100% ready with WP7



i must have missed a lot here but that should get the point across

[StylinRed]

So this was rumored for awhile that Stephen Elop is a major Microsoft Share Holder and there is a conflict of interest with him running Nokia and then handing the company over to Microsoft


Well... it turns out that Elop is the 7th largest Microsoft Shareholder

However supposedly he began divesting 60% of those shares when joining Nokia... still a shareholder though

[goo3]

Originally Posted by PUPPY

you seem to be the only one saying this
why do you think nokia partnering up with MS is a good thing? explain

If this strategy works, the payoff is bigger than with their other options. The point is to grow the pie first. Then compete within the WP7 pie, which they could do easily. Remember, Symbian was open to other handset makers at one time. The critical point is that, right now, they have no pie in the high-margin segments. They need one badly.

Nokia sees this as a win-win deal. Their competitors are taking away their profits and mkt share. Microsoft is not one of them.

MS gets eyeballs on their platform, an easy way to victory if they execute well. Nokia gets access to a software house they feel can compete with Apple and Google, and they get a competitive OS sooner rather than waiting for Meego, whenever that's ready at whatever quality; their own software capabilities are lacking compared to the powerhouses. The analysts are taking a really narrow view with the royalty issue, forgetting Nokia also has huge leverage to negotiate with.

Symbian is like Windows.. a legacy OS full of baggage that needed to be dumped. Being a volume leader doesn't mean anything if you're not making enough money to compete.

[StylinRed]

Nokia has 9 Shareholders trying to get Elop fired and the Microsoft deal adjusted so that WP7 is merely an addition to Nokias lineup

and for Symbian to not be killed off and Meego to be invested in more

http://www.neowin.net/news/nokia-sha...edium=facebook

their facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nokia-...7858?sk=photos

Also Nokias employee union is demanding/trying to get 100,000€ compensation for all the employees Nokia is going to let go

EDIT lol they caved in

After reviewing the feedback we’ve received from investors on our Plan B, we have decided not to carry on with it.

In the last 36 hours we were contacted by hundreds of individual shareholders (owning anywhere form 10 to 400,000 Nokia shares) pledging to support us by proxy voting or by personally attending the AGM.

Nevertheless, the responses that we received from institutional investors were not encouraging. These institutions have a fiduciary responsibility to their customers and are legally bared from supporting radical initiatives like seating a bunch of kids on the board of directors. If they do not agree with Nokia’s plans, they are better off simply divesting and putting their money in other companies that better fit their investing strategy (which is exactly what they have been doing).

We also realized that by the time our Plan B would kick in, most remaining software talent in Nokia would have already left the company, so it would be a really uphill battle to pick up things from there.

This is it from us. It’s up to you what to do with your money. We’ll stop short of endorsing NokiaPlanC.com or NokiaPlanX.com even though we think they are both very good ideas.

just 2 days after starting

[crazyazn]

I think if Nokia does it right, it could turn out to be a lifesaver...kinda like the Milestone for Motorola. (I hope it comes out this way)

However, it is much easier to fk this up and screw themselves over and maybe even say byebye.

[StylinRed]

Probably doesn't matter now, at all since Elops decision


but The Ovi Store makes more money than the Android store; Ovi only recently got up to 30,000 apps (a tonne are free or have free versions) and Android has 150,000 apps (yes i understand a tonne are free too)



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20032012-37.html

but its just part of the wtf Elop? look the changes are working you just had to give them more of a push

[Alphamale]

Nokia has green light to customize Windows Phone 7 as they please

Nokia Executive and Board Member Niklas Savander said in an interview that under the Microsoft-Nokia deal the Finns are free to customize the mobile OS as they see fit.

No other maker was allowed so far to meddle with the looks and feel of Windows Phone 7.

However under the terms of the new agreement with Nokia, Microsoft has obviously loosened the grip a bit.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_has_gr...-news-2340.php

[StylinRed]

yea Elop was saying that but he also says that Nokia WONT be taking advantage of that because they don't want Fragmentation from the rest of WP7

[ae101]

now why the fuck would nokia go with wp7, cuz seriously thinking about it nokia should be going with meego as its much smarter cuz their new, it would boost them up while at the same time it would give meego the edge as it now theres one more choice to make pick out your smartphone a little harder

Elop is really getting on my nerves, has that jackof-a-elop tried the wp7 yet cuz that os is pretty crappy with a lot of things not supported, i dun who would go for a wp7 os unless there forced (my friend was force to get it since telus ran out of phones)

now im very curious to know where is meego, gonna go cuz they look pretty sweet

[valent|n0]

I wonder what's gonna happen to meego OS - they are part of nokia right?

[StylinRed]

MeeGO is a Intel/Nokia thing supported by the Linux Foundation

Nokia cut their investment into Meego the day Elop got on the job

the Intel CEO Otellini(sp?) said that Elop felt they couldn't afford the investment into Meego


Nokia will be producing 1 Meego device but leaving development largely (they'll still be supporting it but very minimally) up to the community and IBM to deal with and if things move along well they may pick up Meego again down the road (it's basically a Beta App atm that may or may not see further support)

[threezero]

While we are on te topic of win7 os anybody that have use it extensively can comment on how it compares to say iOS and android?
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[Hehe]

I guess this is trojan horse part two... After sinking Nok low enough with WP7 annoucement.

Eldar Murtazin, a source who has been fairly reliable on Nokia news just came out saying MS will buy Nokia's mobile phone division next week.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/e...to-buy-nokias/

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderd...d=yahoobarrons

What can Nokia still do without a mobile phone division?!?