REVscene - Vancouver Automotive Forum


Welcome to the REVscene Automotive Forum forums.

Registration is Free!You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   REVscene Automotive Forum > Automotive Chat > The John Norwich Riders Corner

The John Norwich Riders Corner In honour of our fellow moderator: John Norwich R.I.P. September 17th, 2014
Buy, sell, trade bikes and gear, set up bike rallies, meet discussions. #revscenebikes

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-27-2011, 10:12 PM   #1
HELP ME PLS!!!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 5,540
Thanked 980 Times in 166 Posts
Failed 399 Times in 67 Posts
"The Wave"

Quote:
Some of you new riders may be wondering about what it means when riders wave at each other. At riding school, we were simply told that its just a thing riders do. This article, recycled from nearly a decade ago, explains what it means to wave (in the writers opinion, at least).



The Wave
By Tom Ruttan
CYCLE CANADA - APRIL 2002

The bike's passenger seat swept up just enough that I could see over my father's shoulders. That seat was my throne. My dad and I traveled many backroads, searching for the ones we had never found before. Traveling these roads just to see where they went. Never in a rush. Just be home for supper.

I remember wandering down a back road with my father, sitting on my throne watching the trees whiz by, feeling the rumble of our bike beneath us like a contented giant cat. A motorcycle came over a hill toward us and as it went by, my father threw up his gloved clutch hand and gave a little wave. The other biker waved back with the same friendly swing of his left wrist.

I tapped my father on his shoulder, which was our signal that I wanted to say something. He cocked his helmeted ear back slightly while keeping his eyes ahead.

I yelled, "Do we know him?"
'What?" he shouted.
"You waved to him. Who was it?"
"I don't know. Just another guy on a bike. So I waved."
"How come?"
"You just do. It's important."

Later, when we had stopped for chocolate ice cream, I asked why it was important to wave to other bikers. My father tried to explain how the wave demonstrated comradeship and a mutual understanding of what it was to enjoy riding a motorcycle. He looked for the words to describe how almost all bikers struggled with the same things like cold, rain, heat, car drivers who did not see them, but how riding remained an almost pure pleasure.

I was young then and I am not sure that I really understood what he was trying to get across, but it was a beginning. Afterward, I always waved along with my father when we passed other bikers.

I remember one cold October morning when the clouds were heavy and dark, giving us another clue that winter was riding in from just over the horizon. My father and I were warm inside our car as we headed to a friend's home. Rounding a comer, we saw a motorcycle parked on the shoulder of the road. Past the bike, we saw the rider walking through the ditch, scouring the long grasses crowned with a touch of frost. We pulled over and backed up to where the bike stood.

I asked Dad, "Who's that?"
"Don't know," he replied. "But he seems to have lost something. Maybe we can give him a hand."

We left the car and wandered through the tall grass of the ditch to the biker. He said that he had been pulling on his gloves as he rode and he had lost one. The three of us spent some time combing the ditch, but all we found were two empty cans and a plastic water bottle.

My father turned and headed back to our car and I followed him. He opened the trunk and threw the cans and the water bottle into a small cardboard box that we kept for garbage. He rummaged through various tools, oil containers and windshield washer fluid until he found an old crumpled pair of brown leather gloves. Dad straightened them out and handed them to me to hold. He continued looking until he located an old catalogue. I understood why my dad had grabbed the gloves. I had no idea what he was going to do with the catalogue. We headed back to the biker who was still walking the ditch.

My dad said, "Here's some gloves for you. And I brought you a catalogue as well."
"Thanks," he replied. I really appreciate it." He reached into his hip pocket and withdrew a worn black wallet.
"Let me give you some money for the gloves," he said as he slid some bills out.
"No thanks," my dad replied as I handed the rider the gloves. "They're old and not worth anything anyway."
The biker smiled. "Thanks a lot." He pulled on the old gloves and then he unzipped his jacket. I watched as my father handed him the catalogue and the biker slipped it inside his coat. He jostled his jacket around to get the catalogue sitting high and centered under his coat and zipped it up. I remember nodding my head at the time, finally making sense of why my dad had given him the catalogue. It would keep him a bit warmer. After wishing the biker well, my father and I left him warming up his bike.

Two weeks later, the biker came to our home and returned my father's gloves. He had found our address on the catalogue. Neither my father nor the biker seemed to think that my father stopping at the side of the road for a stranger and giving him a pair of gloves, and that stranger making sure that the gloves were returned, were events at all out of the ordinary for people who rode motorcycles. For me, it was another subtle lesson.

It was spring the next year when I was sitting high on my throne, watching the farm fields slip by when I saw two bikes coming towards us. As they rumbled past, both my father and I waved, but the other bikers kept their sunglasses locked straight ahead and did not acknowledge us. I remember thinking that they must have seen us because our waves were too obvious to miss. Why hadn't they waved back? I thought all bikers waved to one another.

I patted my father on his shoulder and yelled, "How come they didn't wave to us?"
"Don't know. Sometimes they don't."

I remember feeling very puzzled. Why wouldn't someone wave back?

Later that summer, I turned 12 and learned how to ride a bike with a clutch. I spent many afternoons on a country laneway beside our home, kicking and kicking to start my father's '55 BSA. When it would finally sputter to a start, my concentration would grow to a sharp focus as I tried to let out the clutch slowly while marrying it with just enough throttle to bring me to a smooth takeoff. More often, I lurched and stumbled forward while trying to keep the front wheel straight and remember to pick my feet up. A few feet farther down the lane, I would sigh and begin kicking again.

A couple of years later, my older brother began road racing, and I became a racetrack rat. We spent many weekends wandering to several tracks in Ontario-Harewood, Mosport and eventually Shannonville. These were the early years of two-stroke domination, of Kawasaki green and 750 two-stroke triples, of Yvon Duhamel's cat-and-mouse games and the artistry of Steve Baker.

Eventually, I started to pursue interests other than the race track. I got my motorcycle licence and began wandering the backroads on my own. I found myself stopping along sideroads if I saw a rider sitting alone, just checking to see if I could be of help. And I continued to wave to each biker I saw.

But I remained confused as to why some riders never waved back. It left me with almost a feeling of rejection, as if I were reaching to shake someone's hand but they kept their arm hanging by their side.

I began to canvass my friends about waving. I talked with people I met at bike events, asking what they thought. Most of the riders told me they waved to other motorcyclists and often initiated the friendly air handshake as they passed one another.

I did meet some riders, though, who told me that they did not wave to other riders because they felt that they were different from other bikers. They felt that they were "a breed apart." One guy told me in colourful language that he did not "wave to no wusses.'' He went on to say that his kind of bikers were tough, independent, and they did not require or want the help of anyone, whether they rode a bike or not.

I suspected that there were some people who bought a bike because they wanted to purchase an image of being tougher, more independent, a not-putting-up-with-anyone's-crap kind of person, but I did not think that this was typical of most riders.

People buy bikes for different reasons. Some will be quick to tell you what make it is, how much they paid for it, or how fast it will go. Brand loyalty is going to be strong for some people whether they have a Harley, Ford, Sony, Nike or whatever. Some people want to buy an image and try to purchase another person's perception of them. But it can't be done. They hope that it can, but it can't.

Still, there is a group of people who ride bikes who truly are a "breed apart." They appreciate both the engineering and the artistry in the machines they ride. Their bikes become part of who they are and how they define themselves to themselves alone.

They don't care what other people think. They don't care if anyone knows how much they paid for their bike or how fast it will go. The bike means something to them that nothing else does. They ride for themselves and not for anyone else. They don't care whether anyone knows they have a bike. They may not be able to find words to describe what it means to ride, but they still know. They might not be able to explain what it means to feel the smooth acceleration and the strength beneath them. But they understand.

These are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and took back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves.

These are the riders who understand why they wave to other motorcyclists. They savour the wave. It symbolizes the connection between riders, and if they saw you and your bike on the side of the road, they would stop to help and might not ask your name. They understand what you are up against every time you take your bike on the road-the drivers that do not see you, the ones that cut you off or tailgate you, the potholes that hide in wait. The rain. The cold.

I have been shivering and sweating on a bike for more than 40 years. Most of the riders that pass give me a supportive wave. I love it when I see a younger rider on a "crotch rocket" scream past me and wave. New riders carrying on traditions.

And I will continue in my attempts to get every biker just a little closer to one another with a simple wave of my gloved clutch hand. And if they do not wave back when I extend my hand into the breeze as I pass them, I will smile a little more. They may be a little mistaken about just who is a "breed apart."
got this from bcsb

When I first got my bike, I had no idea why other bikers, mainly sport bikes would stick their left hand out to me. i always thought they were signalling a left turn. BUT afterwhile I finally figured it out as I saw a biker in front of me waved to a oncoming biker.
Advertisement
alex.w *// is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 11:11 AM   #2
Welcome to Planet Power ///M
 
CharlieH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
harley riders always give me the cold shoulder when i throw them a "stay on two" lol.
CharlieH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 12:59 PM   #3
RS Veteran
 
bcrdukes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GTA
Posts: 29,871
Thanked 11,550 Times in 4,722 Posts
Failed 440 Times in 282 Posts
Sport bike guys like giving me the middle finger when I'm on my scooter.

Just kidding.

Harley guys are a differnt breed. I dont' bother.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS View Post
I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
bcrdukes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 02:29 PM   #4
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
parm104's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Surrey
Posts: 2,808
Thanked 2,621 Times in 684 Posts
Failed 238 Times in 102 Posts
I tend to give the subtle head nod. It acknowledges the other bikers presence and rejection isn't an issue because it's so subtle that if they don't do it back, it's no big deal.
__________________
Clicky Clicky For my Feedback

Last edited by parm104; 03-28-2011 at 07:19 PM.
parm104 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2011, 02:52 PM   #5
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Burnaby
Posts: 142
Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts
Failed 2 Times in 2 Posts
Harley rider's usually too scared to let go of the handle bar to wave.
g_spyder91 is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 03-28-2011, 10:25 PM   #6
My homepage has been set to RS
 
Ducdesmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Home
Posts: 2,216
Thanked 156 Times in 45 Posts
Failed 61 Times in 26 Posts
haha ya after awhile i realized that harley riders are indeed a different breed.
Ducdesmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 12:46 AM   #7
RS Veteran
 
bcrdukes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GTA
Posts: 29,871
Thanked 11,550 Times in 4,722 Posts
Failed 440 Times in 282 Posts
Oh yeah. Bobber guys too.

They're the type that feel as if life didn't give them a 2nd chance.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS View Post
I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
bcrdukes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 06:38 AM   #8
My bookmarks are Reddit and REVscene, in that order
 
Culverin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,442
Thanked 13,465 Times in 1,814 Posts
Failed 1,625 Times in 307 Posts
Bobber?

People wave, but I generally nod cause I'm still a newb rider.
But I find it just a little weird to be given waves and nods cause I'm on a scooter. Makes me feel like such a poser
__________________
***Sarlo's Awesome Eatery ***
Facebook // Instagram
Culverin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 10:01 AM   #9
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Kits/Richmond
Posts: 4,409
Thanked 1,105 Times in 540 Posts
Failed 555 Times in 222 Posts
I find people will skull caps don't wave at those with full helmets, thus it is not just Harley Riders, its any rider with a chip on their shoulder that riding is supposed to be bad ass.

I always salute scooters...
taylor192 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 01:39 PM   #10
RS Veteran
 
bcrdukes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GTA
Posts: 29,871
Thanked 11,550 Times in 4,722 Posts
Failed 440 Times in 282 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Culverin View Post
Bobber?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS View Post
I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
bcrdukes is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 12:55 AM   #11
I don't get it
 
Disillusion_10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 413
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Failed 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieH View Post
harley riders always give me the cold shoulder when i throw them a "stay on two" lol.
Is the "stay on two" the peace sign that you do towards the ground? I had one guy do that and I thought it was really cool. I'm a new rider and I try to wave or at least head nod (if I have my hand on the clutch). I remember on one of my first rides there was a guy on a chopper not sure if it was a Harley or not but he gave me a wave I was so surprised cause like most of you I didn't think they wave at people with sports bike.
Posted via RS Mobile
Disillusion_10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 06:24 PM   #12
HELP ME PLS!!!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 5,540
Thanked 980 Times in 166 Posts
Failed 399 Times in 67 Posts
man saw 3 sportbike riders yesterday.... nobody waved back to me =(
alex.w *// is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 03:56 AM   #13
Welcome to Planet Power ///M
 
CharlieH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Disillusion_10 View Post
Is the "stay on two" the peace sign that you do towards the ground?
yeah it is. i thought it was the coolest thing ever when i first found out about it hahaha.
CharlieH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 07:23 PM   #14
My homepage has been set to RS
 
Ducdesmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Home
Posts: 2,216
Thanked 156 Times in 45 Posts
Failed 61 Times in 26 Posts
^ haha never knew what that meant either.
Ducdesmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2011, 05:52 PM   #15
Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Richmond
Posts: 878
Thanked 421 Times in 186 Posts
Failed 7 Times in 6 Posts
First person to give me the wave was sitting on a chopper with a skull cap
BillyBishop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2011, 10:09 PM   #16
Welcome to Planet Power ///M
 
CharlieH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
my left hand is in the stay on two position for like half the trip up sea2sky lol. so many riders.
CharlieH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2011, 03:47 PM   #17
Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 818
Thanked 709 Times in 216 Posts
Failed 71 Times in 28 Posts
Good read. v_
Posted via RS Mobile
v.Rossi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2011, 07:35 PM   #18
Rs has made me the man i am today!
 
stewie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Langley
Posts: 3,493
Thanked 2,183 Times in 606 Posts
Failed 404 Times in 90 Posts
yeah, first time it ever happend to me was when i was in riding school.

since then ive noticed that sport bikes give the wave to other sport bikes where as harley/cruiser bikes just ignore the sport bikes all together and just give the nod to other harley/cruiser bikes.
stewie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2011, 11:09 AM   #19
Banned By Establishment
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: 604
Posts: 4,015
Thanked 475 Times in 285 Posts
Failed 115 Times in 24 Posts
I wave most of the time, just not when I am in a corner
racerman88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2011, 11:16 AM   #20
Media Officer / MOD
 
!Aznboi128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: vancouver
Posts: 28,077
Thanked 5,752 Times in 1,725 Posts
Failed 85 Times in 63 Posts
When I was on a scooter, it felt awesome having people you don't know throwing out the sign
__________________
[NS]NiteShadow
my feedback (128-0-0)
Revscene Automotive Reviews
Quick link to personal reviews -> Website YouTube
Official Revscene Instagram Coordinator
!Aznboi128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2011, 01:52 PM   #21
I STILL don't get it
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 468
Thanked 506 Times in 123 Posts
Failed 5 Times in 3 Posts
waved one time while cornering and wobbled a little, now I just nod when i'm cornering
truth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 03:52 PM   #22
Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
 
z3german's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Richmond
Posts: 1,116
Thanked 903 Times in 285 Posts
Failed 182 Times in 32 Posts
I wave to almost everyone, im slowly phasing out waving to harley dudes, they almost never wave back.

My question, do you guys wave to squids? I dont, I feel if I do Im encouraging them that they are part of the motorcycle community when really, I wish they fucked off.
z3german is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 04:23 PM   #23
Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
 
604STIG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Burnaby
Posts: 1,415
Thanked 569 Times in 301 Posts
Failed 25 Times in 14 Posts
For the noob riders, only wave if you feel safe enough to do so. ie. Don't bother if your hitting the apex of a turn. If in traffic and squeezing the clutch, on a hill or something else a head nod will suffice.

Also, for those who don't already know, a rider tapping the top of his head/helmet with his hand means "police ahead". I've seen quite a few confused and bewildered looks after this one from some riders.
604STIG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 05:45 PM   #24
VAC Head Rotang Mod
 
Raid3n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Van
Posts: 10,668
Thanked 1,427 Times in 627 Posts
Failed 33 Times in 24 Posts
i do the "whoopty-do" swirly thing... to imitate the lights lol
__________________
2020 ND2 Miata - Polymetal Grey, Red Nappa Leather
1993 Subaru WRX (2004 WRX engine, COBB access port)
2001 CBR600F4i

My Feedback (10-0-0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fei-Ji View Post
haha i can taste the cum in my mouth
Raid3n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 05:55 PM   #25
Welcome to Planet Power ///M
 
CharlieH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by z3german View Post
I wave to almost everyone, im slowly phasing out waving to harley dudes, they almost never wave back.

My question, do you guys wave to squids? I dont, I feel if I do Im encouraging them that they are part of the motorcycle community when really, I wish they fucked off.
yah man, i don't wave to squids either. i also noticed that sport bikes don't wave to me when i'm on the motard LOL. god damn snobs

Last edited by CharlieH; 08-16-2012 at 06:15 PM.
CharlieH is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net