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LOL, your making hyundai sound like crooks. First with the whole " long warranty is a marketing scheme" and then in the other thread " just because they advertise good paint quality doesnt mean its true"...Hyundai is a HUGE company and they are making fine cars right now and all there trying too do is get the word out that hyundai isn't what it use too be that being said they wont ruin there reputation with false advertising.
You just need too accept the fact that Hyundai is making awesome cars and that all of its competitors are shitting there pants right now. END
Being a huge company doesnt mean they dont lie. Advertisements is all marketing to get you to buy their products thus companies will go to all extents to bring customers over. It is also legal in the US to compare your product with other competitors products in advertisements. They can compare an old CLS paint and their new vehicle paint and it will be completely valid despite years of differences in technology. They also do not have any fact to back the fact that their paint is better. The video they shown... nearly ever car manufacturer these days go through the same process. They first dip the whole body for anti corrosion and magnetize the body then spray with robots with magnetize paint so that it sticks.
So you need to first understand the goal of advertisement and marketing before you start trusting everything you see. It is a common mistake that everyone makes, trusting into advertising too much and clouded from making right decisions or knowing the right facts.
It is no mistake that Hyundai is growing and getting better, but not knowing the right facts as a consumer is bad for any current and future decisions you make. And I am not trying to bash you or anything but as I said everyone makes this mistake. News reports are also bias believe it or not, so it is important to dig deeper and understand it and not take everything word for word.
Also huge companies like Porsche also had lots of problems with debt, you see them doing well but infact they were in debt when they bought out VAG. Now you see VAG buying them out instead.
Another example, Mitsubishi nearly went bankrupt cuz of hiding things many years back. They're one of the largest manufacturer in Japan and the Mitsubishi Group is also fairly big.
So you see now, being a big company means nothing in terms of creditability.
Hyundai however has Audi's old designer in a new facility in California, just look at the lines of the car and say thats not quality...
The design of the car =/= quality.
Hyundai does have great designs, but I am still not too sure about their quality of their parts/materials/reliability. And whats more, the base sonata costs $22,649 and the base accord is $24,790. Would 10% cheaper be enough to attarct potential 08+ accord buyers (not a lot of them, lol) to change their mind and get the sonata?
Lets see the euro's offer the warranty that hyundai is offering. Bet you'd see some changes real quick or they'd go bankrupt.
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Originally Posted by s300ae
the reason why they are doing well in the lower end models is because of fuel efficiency and the long warranty. the warranty is a marketing scheme to get you in the door. its forced upon mid-low income buyers. anyone in the upper class wouldnt buy a hyundai (most likely lease) let alone care for the warranty.
it lacks its prestige. perhaps once they establish good footing on this beast, in the future they'll have the history to back it up
id rather have a well built car that just needs basic maintenance than have a shit car with a long warranty and have to go through the warranty every year just to keep it running.
were going off topic again.. the main point of this thread was to establish if youd pay the 50k for the R-spec. my opinion was that i wouldnt and i backed it up with the fact that its still an amateur in the luxury world, and looks ugly and borrowed.
I dont have a problem with the coupes, in fact i think for the HP+RWD its a pretty good deal. i wouldnt buy it, but it would make a decent track car.
i guess we will have to wait and see how they do in 2011/12 in the US.
Really? Thats your excuse to snub a brand? Because they stand behind the product by offering a longer warranty?
If euros could stand behind their product instead of their badge they too would offer a competitive warranty. We all know they would go bankrupt if they tried.
i mean at this point really, both sides have their opinions although they are at the total opposite ends of each other.
There is no point in bashing each other as it all boils down to opinions.
and as I said, warranty means nothing about the car quality or reliability. Even if the company is confident in their product, there can always be problems in the long run because as with most things, only time will tell.
For example, I dont think anyone can guarantee you that the cylinders will still be in the same shape as it was out of the factory 10 years from now. Its simply impossible to tell as everyones driving habits are different and the amount of stress an engine goes through is different.
Also as a business you need to consider pushing sales of your products. If you're offering 10 years of warranty, thats 10 years that the customer will possibly not buy a new car. That is not good for business especially when you're pushing new models every few years and want to get sales. Theres only so many people and theres so many cars and iterations of models.
In reality majority of consumer products these days are made to last maybe 3~4 years and they start going haywire,etc. There is a certain lifetime manufacturers put on their products. I highly doubt modern cars will last as long as the old ones with the use of things like biodegradable plastic. I mean at some point it will degrade.
Also one of the culprits of repairs are sometimes not even at the fault of the car manufacturer. Manufacturers out source a lot of their parts like the transmission. You will find the same transmission in an american and japanese car. Now if the transmission breaks in one of them, the repair is handled by the manufacturer despite it was the transmission maker's product.
So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.
i mean at this point really, both sides have their opinions although they are at the total opposite ends of each other.
There is no point in bashing each other as it all boils down to opinions.
and as I said, warranty means nothing about the car quality or reliability. Even if the company is confident in their product, there can always be problems in the long run because as with most things, only time will tell.
For example, I dont think anyone can guarantee you that the cylinders will still be in the same shape as it was out of the factory 10 years from now. Its simply impossible to tell as everyones driving habits are different and the amount of stress an engine goes through is different.
Also as a business you need to consider pushing sales of your products. If you're offering 10 years of warranty, thats 10 years that the customer will possibly not buy a new car. That is not good for business especially when you're pushing new models every few years and want to get sales. Theres only so many people and theres so many cars and iterations of models.
In reality majority of consumer products these days are made to last maybe 3~4 years and they start going haywire,etc. There is a certain lifetime manufacturers put on their products. I highly doubt modern cars will last as long as the old ones with the use of things like biodegradable plastic. I mean at some point it will degrade.
Also one of the culprits of repairs are sometimes not even at the fault of the car manufacturer. Manufacturers out source a lot of their parts like the transmission. You will find the same transmission in an american and japanese car. Now if the transmission breaks in one of them, the repair is handled by the manufacturer despite it was the transmission maker's product.
So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.
i agree with what you're saying. even if a brand does make very good cars, regardless of their past, noone has owned a new sonata, equus or genesis for a long term (7-10 years) to tell if they quality is good. just because a company offers 10 year warranty which hyundai may or may not, doesn't mean everything sticks. I have friends who have tried to get repairs, and their "extended warranties" have expired components. warranty does not = good car. it might mean "we made a good car, and can back it up" or it can mean "here's your car. and some warranty, you'll need it".
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Originally Posted by cococly
the base sonata costs $22,649 and the base accord is $24,790
i wouldn't buy an accord. honda auto transmissions are known to have problems, aswell as brakes. my ex's dad used to have an 09. brake had to be fixed/changed at 16k and 28k, tranny was acting up, thats why he sold it.
not saying their cars are bad. i just wouldnt buy one myself.
.. So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.
+1!
this world is never black and white. there are always shades of gray in between.
But from what I hear, many people like the direction Hyundai is going with their fluidic design theme. If you add those subjective good looks with a ton of standard features (heated rear seats anyone?) while keeping the price reasonable plus having great warranty/good reliability then its hard to argue against the brand and where it is going.
But from what I hear, many people like the direction Hyundai is going with their fluidic design theme. If you add those subjective good looks with a ton of standard features (heated rear seats anyone?) while keeping the price reasonable plus having great warranty/good reliability then its hard to argue against the brand and where it is going.
there is not a single manufacturer in the world has been able to accomplish it all: provide an appealing looking vehicle, fuel efficient, powerful, full of features, long warranty, and reasonable price. Otherwise they'd be out of business. Usually its 3 out of the 6.
there is not a single manufacturer in the world has been able to accomplish it all: provide an appealing looking vehicle, fuel efficient, powerful, full of features, long warranty, and reasonable price. Otherwise they'd be out of business. Usually its 3 out of the 6.
Look = Subjective
Fuel Efficient = Yes
Powerful= Yes; mid-range in class with the best fuel economy ratings
Full of Features = Yes; loads of features at higher trims
Long warranty = yes/no; 5 year warranty
Reasonable price = Yes; cheaper than main rivals.
I am not a Hyundai fan, but the new Sontata/Tuscon/Elantra seem to have 4/5 out of your 6 categories.
i see what you are trying to say there... but the elantra and tucson would only score 3/6
not good looking, no power, and features only available on higher priced models (so if you want features it fails on the price tag) best they can get is actually 3/6
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