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Next Porsche 911 to get a 7 speed MANUAL transmission

Seven Gears, and one manually operated clutch

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Confirmed: Next Porsche 911 to Launch with 7-Speed Manual Transmission (Yes, the Clutch-Pedal Kind)
May 31, 2011 at 1:26pm by Jens Meiners

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More isn’t always better. We’ll agree in terms of power, but respectfully pass when we’re talking about weight. Transmission gears? We’re not sure. Some recent automatics have featured seven and eight forward ratios (and ZF has even announced a nine-speed auto), but the maximum for traditional clutch-and-lever manual transmissions has been six for some time. That’s about to change, however, because we’ve confirmed from various corporate sources that Porsche will offer a seven-speed manual in the next-generation 911, a development we first reported last November.

The point is to offer a tall, seventh gear for improved efficiency and reduced engine noise during long cruises. The shifting experience is said to be similar to that of the current six-speed manual—which we love—there’s just a bit more rowing to do, although, depending on the ratio spread, veteran Porsche drivers might also have to slightly tweak their thinking in terms of gear choice for upcoming corners. Unless something changes and the shift pattern is seriously wacky, though, we doubt anyone will get confused during hard driving, since seventh will hardly be anyone’s go-to gear for corner exit.

As to the next 911 itself, it carries the internal 991 designation and is scheduled to debut at the Frankfurt auto show this September. It will be based on the stretched architecture of the 996/997 and offer more rear seat space and a more comfortable, luxurious interior. Vehicle stability will be improved thanks to a longer wheelbase. Future generations of the 911, however, are expected to share many components with the next-gen Audi R8 and Lamborghini Gallardo as part of the VW Group’s highly flexible Modularer Sportbaukasten, or “modular sports architecture.” When and if this platform convergence happens, the 911 will keep its rear-engine layout, although the powerplant may nevertheless be moved forward significantly.

Porsche’s seven-speed manual only adds to the multiple gearbox options in the sports-car segment, which include dual-clutch, torque-converter, and modified automatics; traditional manuals; and even an entirely new single-clutch automatic in the Lamborghini Aventador. Will the seven-speed manual be offered by other automakers as well? At present, a supplier source tells us additional interest in the technology is limited.

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Driving experience> speed, for me thanks.

Conventional clutch/gearbox FTW

Having a 7 speed is kind of retarded. Won't drivers get confused with 5th and 7th?

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Originally Posted by lonelydriver (Post 7454806)

Having a 7 speed is kind of retarded. Won't drivers get confused with 5th and 7th?

Do you get confused with 3rd and 5th?

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Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily (Post 7454831)

Do you get confused with 3rd and 5th?

those are the people with honda's that do 3rd to 1st:D

damn I want a longgggg 6th gear if I can make them

I imagine 1-6 will be similar to how it is now, and 7th will be real fuckin tall. like 1000rpm at 100km/h tall. basically like an economy highway cruising gear.

Did someone say confused with shifts?

A 7-speed sounds like a good idea for a cruising gear, like Overdrive on a automatic transmission.

That's fucking awesome. Hopefully they'll shorten the first 6 gears, and having the 7th gear for the fuel efficiency.

OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH MY GOD OH SHIT OH SHIT OMG OMG

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Originally Posted by Redlines_Daily (Post 7454831)

Do you get confused with 3rd and 5th?

With a 6 speed H-pattern shifter the gear lever centers at 3rd and from there you can only go left one gate and right one gate.

Having to choose between more gates with no substantial tactile "feel" between 5th & 7th (or wherever they happen to put the extra gear) will introduce problems. It's the same reason that many gearboxes put an extra mechanism on the shifter to engage reverse when it's not easily differentiated from other gears. I suspect they'll do something similar with 7th.

What's the shifter arrangement on current Porsches? Is it reverse on the left like Volkswagens, or is it the "traditional" reverse on the right? If anything, it'll probably be the former, and put 7th gear on the right side.

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Originally Posted by CorneringArtist (Post 7455160)

Or 1st will be on the bottom left, with the remaining six in the traditional H-pattern.

^^ But 2nd gear and so forth won't be in their "original" location

I love Porsche even more now just because they are still developing manuals.

We don't need .000000000001 millisecond automatic shifts for the street. Like another poster said, its about the driving experience for me.

Least thats what 911 owners tell themselves when they get beat by nissans.

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Originally Posted by fliptuner (Post 7454805)

Driving experience> speed, for me thanks.

Conventional clutch/gearbox FTW

I am sure it's a great drive, but for me, enough is enough, soon will catch up with my 24-speed bicycle

sounds interesting, can't wait to see it.

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 7455151)

Smart guy. I have a feeling that they will keep the traditional H pattern and implement some sort of semi truck shifting that has like 10+ gears, which overlaps some of the existing lower gears.

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 7455151)

My car is 9 years old and has significant tactile feed back when going from N to the 1/2 position, then left again to R.
I could see them implementing the same sort tactile feedback (no extra mechanism) to go from 5/6 and pushing right even further to go to a 7th gear.

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Originally Posted by CorneringArtist (Post 7455160)

the current shifter arrangement on 6 speed manual porsches has the reverse gear engaged through pushing the shifter all the way to the left, and upwards. unlike volkswagens, you do not need to push down onto the shifter to be able to engage the reverse gear, you simply have to push to the left, past some resistance from the shifter, and up. BMW has the same pattern as porsche.

the 5 speed manual porsches have the reverse in the bottom right hand corner of the H pattern.

Perfect, a proper clutch and some gears. Glad porsche is keeping this up.

so now porsche is going to have 5 gears up top and 3 on the bottom of the shifter huh? fuun.

excessive unless it's long like everyone else is saying.

Makes most sense to do reverse on the far left and then a normal 1-6 and 7th being to the right of 5th
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