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Bryan Allen would be dope...

who can replace Torres....with those bone crushing hits???

we need someone who can punish the other team come playoffs

I'd be ecstatic if we somehow get Dustin Brown. He fits right in to our top 6.

And plus. .wouldn't you want this guy on our team

Saw this one lol

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.c...-firetruck.jpg

Get this done MG!!! :D

Dont want brown..
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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 7807605)

:facepalm:

Have you been talking to AznNightmare? In hockey, there's no such thing as "sure moves." Hell even the Datsyukian Deke was stopped not just too long ago. Everything is saveable... shootouts is just like a mano-e-mano chicken game where majority of the time, the loser is the one who flinches first.

BTW, how long have you been watching the Canucks? I don't know if you know but this so called patented move by Burrows has been stopped before.

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If you REALLY know hockey, you can't actually just have 1 go-to-move or else the book will be out on you quick and you'd be stopped all the time.

Why so serious man? Don't need to call out my hockey knowledge. I've been watching and playing for long enough. I see what you're saying, but I have to respectfully disagree in this case.

Burrows fake to backhand top corner is as close as things come to a sure thing. Burrows has tried his 'repertoire' of other moves enough for me to have significantly less confidence in those other moves, I'd rather him try his deke to backhand everytime even though everyone else may have the book on it. I'm obviously not going to guarantee he will put it in every single time, but odds are if he executes that move appropriately, he will put it in way more often than not.

And that is the key, that the move gets executed properly. The times that move has been stopped was when he put the forehand deke on too early and gave goalies time to move over and stop the backhand, or he fakes the forehand too late and puts himself too tight to lift the backhand over the goalie. The speed he is coming in on net is vital as well, too slow and goalie has more time to move, too fast and he loses the handle on the puck a bit or puts himself too deep to get a good angle on backhand.

Breaking down last night's shot in particular, if you watch it again, you'll see that Burrows faked the forehand shot, but Howard didn't bite on it at all. Goalies have to respect that fake forehand shot even if they know he won't shoot it. Because of the speed Burrows came in at, the ONLY thing Howard could do was kick out his left leg, extend and flop like Luongo does so often and hope that Burrows can't get it up and hits the extended pad or lowered trapper.

I see what Aznightmare is saying about the spinorama as well, and I agree. If executed properly, it is very difficult to stop because the goalie has to respect the shooter's move to forehand even if they know the spinorama is impending. If the spinorama gets backhanded up high like how Bertuzzi often does it, I would be willing to put a few bucks on the table to say that it too cannot be stopped.

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Originally Posted by Durrann (Post 7807872)

who can replace Torres....with those bone crushing hits???

we need someone who can punish the other team come playoffs

Steve Ott is a better Raffi Torres. He's great at faceoffs, on the PK, a leader, throws his body around, defends his teammates and trolls other players more than Lapierre LOL

He's a much better upgrade over Raymond.

He'd also be perfect on the third line with Hodgson or a Ott-Lapierre-Burrows line.

Mother of god...
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Why would you put Burrows with those two?...
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 7807897)

Dont want brown..
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Mind explaining why? lol

Sedin Sedin Brown
Booth Kes Burr

Or

Sedin Sedin Burr
Booth Kes Brown

How can you not want that and Browns' cap is only 3 something

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Originally Posted by UFO (Post 7807898)

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7807729)

Penalty shots (that aren't just "pick-a-corner-and-shoot") are stopped usually depending whether a goalie bites on the initial fakes/dekes.
When a goalie's going one way following the puck on his knees, there's no way to suddenly change direction as fast as a player on the edge
of his skates. A goalie can desperately sprawl out, but there's still a big open net. And a lot of players are now roofing them on the backhand,
which makes doing splits less effective.

I've gone into more detail (in other forums) about this spinorama topic.
But no use of me sharing any more input here, I don't think anyone here really cares or plays goalie anyway.

I'll just say until I see it stopped, I'm not really going to leave it at a rest.

I've been around hockey long enough to see anything and everything stopped. In hockey, there is NO SUCH THING as a sure 100% move.

Spin-o-rama is just an effective move. That's it. So is the Datsyukian deke, the Forsberg 1-hander, and the so called Burrows forehand-backhand.

And why so serious? I love the Canucks and all, but I hate it when our fans get cocky and say... this is unstoppable... that is a sure thing... the Boston Bruins are just a formality to the Stanley Cup... Chara is a pylon.... etc.

It makes us ALL look bad.

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7807729)

Penalty shots (that aren't just "pick-a-corner-and-shoot") are stopped usually depending whether a goalie bites on the initial fakes/dekes.
When a goalie's going one way following the puck on his knees, there's no way to suddenly change direction as fast as a player on the edge
of his skates. A goalie can desperately sprawl out, but there's still a big open net. And a lot of players are now roofing them on the backhand,
which makes doing splits less effective.

I've gone into more detail (in other forums) about this spinorama topic.
But no use of me sharing any more input here, I don't think anyone here really cares or plays goalie anyway.

I'll just say until I see it stopped, I'm not really going to leave it at a rest.

Forgive the double post but I just decided to put a little bit of effort in my argument.

1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.

2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.

Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 7807778)

Almost sounding like a divided locker room just like when Richards was in Philly, and now they bring in his party boy Carter? This has a good chance of blowing up in Lombardi's face, when a no drinking policy has to be instituted by your teammates for you as grown adults in order for them to show up to practices on time, not be hung over for games and not cause issues in the room.....:facepalm:.....and now Lombardi wants them to be the leaders? Desperate times.

Brown would look good in a Canucks jersey. Definitely gonna be hard to compete with Toronto though...knowing Burke, he'd be willing to give up Kadri + Schenn + 1st Round Picks for the next 10 years.

Price is too expensive to acquire Brown in the deadline.

Here's a nice article about Luongo and his "twitter"

Canucks' Luongo revealed as Twitter jokester?

Spoiler!

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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 7807791)

Sorry, which team in the NHL do you play goalie for?
Oh that's right. You only started playing last year. Totally credible. :rukidding:

Why? was my explanation and logic too hard to understand?

Using the NHL card is like saying nothing in here is credible, unless someone in here actually does play in the NHL??

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 7807953)

Forgive the double post but I just decided to put a little bit of effort in my argument.

Turco saves Shannon shoot out attempt - YouTube

1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.

2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.

Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?

I think the key to UFO's argument is that the move gets executed properly. If Shannon roofed it on the backhand, Turco's chances of saving it are even slimmer. He would have to block it with his goalie stick in mid air!

Ott would be awesome.

Then we would have someone hard to play against on every line:

Burrows
Kesler
Ott
Lapierre

alyonka on team1040 in 10

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 7807953)

I'll explain why that move failed. I actually made a post about it before, but it's going to take a while if I really want to dig through this entire thread to find it. It involved a collage of spinorama shootouts. I think RS only saves up to 100 posts though.

Otherwise, I'm going to have to type it from scratch again...

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Originally Posted by highfive (Post 7807960)

Price is too expensive to acquire Brown in the deadline.

I think it would be a salary dump to make room for Carter. They said it could take 2 decent prospects + 2nd round pick which isn't too bad for osmeone like brown.

although I did just read that lombardi said that he's not available :(

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 7807778)

People seem to forget Philly made the finals with Carter and Richards as the heart of the offense. He's a player who scored 35/40 goals a year, if reports are true he was doing that while partying like a rockstar. After leaving that shit hole Columbus I think he's going to be highly motivated. I mean who wouldn't?

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 7807949)

And why so serious? I love the Canucks and all, but I hate it when our fans get cocky and say... this is unstoppable... that is a sure thing... the Boston Bruins are just a formality to the Stanley Cup... Chara is a pylon.... etc.

It makes us ALL look bad.

Forgive my exaggeration. I'll start saying that Burrows backhand deke is a probable goal instead of unstoppable if that makes you feel better. It's not like Burrows is the only player doing this move. How many times has Lu been beaten on the same move, both to catcher and blocker side? I'll maintain that this move, which I'll call the Burrow's patented backhand, is 'damn-near' unstoppable as long as its properly executed. Any player is free to use it royalty free to Burrows.

I'm not sure how you lead from a sure thing shoot out move to sure thing Stanley Cup, the fact you draw that conclusion makes you as a fan look bad. Don't worry so much about how my lack of hockey knowledge makes you as a fan look bad, just focus on making yourself look like a good fan.

For the Shannon/Turco spinorama, I'll say that instead of Turco saving a stoppable move, Shannon got lazy and didn't finish by getting the puck up even 6" off the ice, let alone roofing it. He also started his spin a bit early and gave Turco time to barely make the desperation move. I don't consider a shot or move saveable if the goalie has to make a hail-mary move and hope that the shooter shoots into his body or stick. Just like how you think the Burrows backhand is not a sure thing, Turco's playing of the spinorama also does not ensure a save. So this way of playing the spinorama is NOT the textbook way to play it, there is no textbook way to stop it and still respect the shooter's options, Turco just happened to be lucky this time.

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 7807971)

Exactly. But that is still technically 'saveable', Turco could have stuck his stick in the air and the puck could have hit it, however improbable. IMO the spinorama properly executed is as close to a sure thing as Burrows backhand deke is. But for Noir's sake, I'll have to say highly probable.

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline (Post 7807990)

There were also Briere, Giroux, Gagne, Hartnell, and Pronger. The list went on.

But they were the problem when the coach initiated dry island but they continued to party and drink.

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 7807953)

http://i40.tinypic.com/r0qn8g.jpg

1) Notice how early Shannon performs the spinorama. He's still near the faceoff circle.
2) Note that he performs the spin before even cutting across half way of the net, meaning the goalie doesn't commit to sliding across as much.

If Shannon executed it properly like every other player, the puck would have been long in the net before Turco's desperate attempt to sprawl out.

Since 2006, a save was made on this butchered attempt.
Not sure have there been one since, if you even want to count this one.

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 7807778)

Desperate times indeed.

Looks like his last ditch effort to make things happen and save his job.

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Originally Posted by civicyvr (Post 7808017)

Desperate times indeed.

Looks like his last ditch effort to make things happen and save his job.

Carter and Richards are both human. They've made mistakes in the past and they are now given a chance to make good on their previous blunders. Besides, you don't mess with Sutter when he's the coach. We all knew the kind of player Lapierre was before he came here and he's much better sorted now. If you were Carter, you would know this is his last chance at being a high-level player that is wanted by any team.

To me, this was a pretty good trade for the Kings, all things considered. They still have a goaltender that they can use in a trade and they can reunite two players who have good chemistry together.

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Originally Posted by UFO (Post 7807898)

I agree with UFO and Azn.

The goalie has to respect the shot. If goalie cheats to plays the deke or spin then shooter has great chance shooting. If not than the fake has high chance of success. Best if the shooter is coming in with speed and has a decent reach. Just because a goalie knows the move doesn't mean he can stop it. I'll take 50% any day. And if he didn't try his other less successful methods, % would prob be higher.