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Have you been talking to AznNightmare? In hockey, there's no such thing as "sure moves." Hell even the Datsyukian Deke was stopped not just too long ago. Everything is saveable... shootouts is just like a mano-e-mano chicken game where majority of the time, the loser is the one who flinches first.
BTW, how long have you been watching the Canucks? I don't know if you know but this so called patented move by Burrows has been stopped before.
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If you REALLY know hockey, you can't actually just have 1 go-to-move or else the book will be out on you quick and you'd be stopped all the time.
Why so serious man? Don't need to call out my hockey knowledge. I've been watching and playing for long enough. I see what you're saying, but I have to respectfully disagree in this case.
Burrows fake to backhand top corner is as close as things come to a sure thing. Burrows has tried his 'repertoire' of other moves enough for me to have significantly less confidence in those other moves, I'd rather him try his deke to backhand everytime even though everyone else may have the book on it. I'm obviously not going to guarantee he will put it in every single time, but odds are if he executes that move appropriately, he will put it in way more often than not.
And that is the key, that the move gets executed properly. The times that move has been stopped was when he put the forehand deke on too early and gave goalies time to move over and stop the backhand, or he fakes the forehand too late and puts himself too tight to lift the backhand over the goalie. The speed he is coming in on net is vital as well, too slow and goalie has more time to move, too fast and he loses the handle on the puck a bit or puts himself too deep to get a good angle on backhand.
Breaking down last night's shot in particular, if you watch it again, you'll see that Burrows faked the forehand shot, but Howard didn't bite on it at all. Goalies have to respect that fake forehand shot even if they know he won't shoot it. Because of the speed Burrows came in at, the ONLY thing Howard could do was kick out his left leg, extend and flop like Luongo does so often and hope that Burrows can't get it up and hits the extended pad or lowered trapper.
I see what Aznightmare is saying about the spinorama as well, and I agree. If executed properly, it is very difficult to stop because the goalie has to respect the shooter's move to forehand even if they know the spinorama is impending. If the spinorama gets backhanded up high like how Bertuzzi often does it, I would be willing to put a few bucks on the table to say that it too cannot be stopped.
who can replace Torres....with those bone crushing hits???
we need someone who can punish the other team come playoffs
Steve Ott is a better Raffi Torres. He's great at faceoffs, on the PK, a leader, throws his body around, defends his teammates and trolls other players more than Lapierre LOL
He's a much better upgrade over Raymond.
He'd also be perfect on the third line with Hodgson or a Ott-Lapierre-Burrows line.
Why so serious man? Don't need to call out my hockey knowledge. I've been watching and playing for long enough. I see what you're saying, but I have to respectfully disagree in this case.
Burrows fake to backhand top corner is as close as things come to a sure thing. Burrows has tried his 'repertoire' of other moves enough for me to have significantly less confidence in those other moves, I'd rather him try his deke to backhand everytime even though everyone else may have the book on it. I'm obviously not going to guarantee he will put it in every single time, but odds are if he executes that move appropriately, he will put it in way more often than not.
And that is the key, that the move gets executed properly. The times that move has been stopped was when he put the forehand deke on too early and gave goalies time to move over and stop the backhand, or he fakes the forehand too late and puts himself too tight to lift the backhand over the goalie. The speed he is coming in on net is vital as well, too slow and goalie has more time to move, too fast and he loses the handle on the puck a bit or puts himself too deep to get a good angle on backhand.
Breaking down last night's shot in particular, if you watch it again, you'll see that Burrows faked the forehand shot, but Howard didn't bite on it at all. Goalies have to respect that fake forehand shot even if they know he won't shoot it. Because of the speed Burrows came in at, the ONLY thing Howard could do was kick out his left leg, extend and flop like Luongo does so often and hope that Burrows can't get it up and hits the extended pad or lowered trapper.
I see what Aznightmare is saying about the spinorama as well, and I agree. If executed properly, it is very difficult to stop because the goalie has to respect the shooter's move to forehand even if they know the spinorama is impending. If the spinorama gets backhanded up high like how Bertuzzi often does it, I would be willing to put a few bucks on the table to say that it too cannot be stopped.
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Penalty shots (that aren't just "pick-a-corner-and-shoot") are stopped usually depending whether a goalie bites on the initial fakes/dekes.
When a goalie's going one way following the puck on his knees, there's no way to suddenly change direction as fast as a player on the edge
of his skates. A goalie can desperately sprawl out, but there's still a big open net. And a lot of players are now roofing them on the backhand,
which makes doing splits less effective.
I've gone into more detail (in other forums) about this spinorama topic.
But no use of me sharing any more input here, I don't think anyone here really cares or plays goalie anyway.
I'll just say until I see it stopped, I'm not really going to leave it at a rest.
I've been around hockey long enough to see anything and everything stopped. In hockey, there is NO SUCH THING as a sure 100% move.
Spin-o-rama is just an effective move. That's it. So is the Datsyukian deke, the Forsberg 1-hander, and the so called Burrows forehand-backhand.
And why so serious? I love the Canucks and all, but I hate it when our fans get cocky and say... this is unstoppable... that is a sure thing... the Boston Bruins are just a formality to the Stanley Cup... Chara is a pylon.... etc.
Penalty shots (that aren't just "pick-a-corner-and-shoot") are stopped usually depending whether a goalie bites on the initial fakes/dekes.
When a goalie's going one way following the puck on his knees, there's no way to suddenly change direction as fast as a player on the edge
of his skates. A goalie can desperately sprawl out, but there's still a big open net. And a lot of players are now roofing them on the backhand,
which makes doing splits less effective.
I've gone into more detail (in other forums) about this spinorama topic.
But no use of me sharing any more input here, I don't think anyone here really cares or plays goalie anyway.
I'll just say until I see it stopped, I'm not really going to leave it at a rest.
Forgive the double post but I just decided to put a little bit of effort in my argument.
1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.
2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.
Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?
Almost sounding like a divided locker room just like when Richards was in Philly, and now they bring in his party boy Carter? This has a good chance of blowing up in Lombardi's face, when a no drinking policy has to be instituted by your teammates for you as grown adults in order for them to show up to practices on time, not be hung over for games and not cause issues in the room..........and now Lombardi wants them to be the leaders? Desperate times.
Brown would look good in a Canucks jersey. Definitely gonna be hard to compete with Toronto though...knowing Burke, he'd be willing to give up Kadri + Schenn + 1st Round Picks for the next 10 years.
Mystery surrounds Canucks nation today as word broke that Roberto Luongo might have a secret Twitter account.
It all started when Ryan Kesler innocently tweeted yesterday "If your (sic) looking for some laughs follow @strombone1 guy is a beauty".
Instantly, Canucks nation was intrigued: Ryan Kesler is not known for having the most interesting tweets, nor does he often reveal much about himself. Suddenly Ryan Kesler was telling his 134,000 followers to follow some-one on twitter? This was not familiar. This was like opening Pandora's Box for Canucks fans, they had to know more.
Immediately people began trying to figure out who @strom-bone1 could be. The first clue they jumped on was the fact it had the No. 1 in the username.
This pointed the eyes firmly on the Canucks starting goalie, Roberto Luongo. Initially this seemed too easy, on par with the Spaceballs combination of "12345." But digging further, the pieces seemed to slowly fall into place and the case that it could be Roberto Luongo's twitter account seemed stronger and stronger. Consider the following:
? Sept. 23 @strombone1 tweeted: "U know it's been a long online poker shift when ur listening to Michael Jackson on your iTune playlist!!!" Roberto Luongo is a noted online poker fanatic and has even appeared in BC Lotto ads for poker.
? An online website called www.pocketfives. com has a forum where one member claims "strombone1" is Roberto Luongo's online poker handle.
? Nov. 1 @strombone1 tweeted: "The other day I told my 3 year old daughter to stop acting fresh. She told me: daddy I'm fresh and ur not cuz ur stale!!! Quite impressive!!" This is in line with Luongo as he also has a young daughter Gabriella who was born March 27, 2008. That would put his daughter at the age of 3 at the time of this tweet.
? On Nov. 1 @strombone1 also tweeted: "I've taken longer bath-room breaks than Kim K's wed-ding-. No seriously, ask any-one!!!!!"
As any Canuck fan can tell you, there is one player on the Canucks who is famous for having a long bathroom break.
Roberto Luongo was stuck in an extended washroom break during Game 5 of the 2nd round of the 2007 Stanley Cup Playoffs against the Anaheim Ducks. Just about as long as Kim Kardashian's marriage.
? @strombone1 tweets Nov. 8: "Staszko just informed the dealer that he has a hair appointment at super cuts in 20 mins! #WSOPfun-facts". Yet another poker reference that points to the fact this could be the account of the card loving Luongo.
? Gerry Dee recently interviewed Roberto Luongo and asked him if he followed him on twitter, and Luongo admitted to having a twitter account. @strom-bone1 only follows 64 people. Gerry Dee is one of them. Basically 20 per cent of the accounts followed are former Canucks or people Luongo has known in real life at some point in time.
Add it all up, and it certainly appears as though it legitimately is Roberto Luongo's twitter account.
If this is indeed the case, it brings up a very interesting fact; Roberto Luongo is a pretty funny guy. What has the public witnessed from Roberto during his tenure with the team?
We have seen a man who has been distant, uptight, and nervous up until the last couple of years when he finally became more relaxed and at ease with his media obligations. Not once would you say to yourself: "I bet that guy is hilarious when the cameras turn off".
If you look through the 172 tweets @strombone1 has tweeted, you will see a person with wit, humour, and a person who is not afraid to reveal intimate details about him-self.
Case in point, on October 17th, @ strombone1 tweeted: "Damn you Stefano Demera-How could u? Sorry for the rant- Gut wrenching episode of days of our lives today!!! : - )"
Roberto Luongo a fan of soap operas? Could it be? His viewing habits don't just stop with soaps, however, as there are several tweets about the infamous Jersey Shore show on MTV.
@strombone1 is apparently a big fan of the Jersey Shore and enjoys poking fun at cast member Snoo-ki. At one point @strombone1 tweets: "Trying to figure out who Snooki's baby daddy is and I've narrowed to--EVERYONE!!!!!" Roberto Luongo taking shots at a Jersey Shore cast member? Where was this during the Boston series? Imagine Luongo tweeting: "I've finally discovered why the refs aren't giving us any calls. Gregory Campbell told on us to his dad!!!!!" The reaction alone from the East would have been worth the price of admission.
Aside from the TV viewing habits of @strombone1, we also find someone who enjoys cracking jokes left and right.
At one point @strombone1 tweets: "I sometimes wish they would make those brushes by the toilet a little softer on the skin!" and then another time says "my left armpit smells like fish-.Does that mean anything???"
If this turns out to be Roberto Luongo's twitter account it only leaves us with one question: Does he have the guts to keep it going? Tweeting anonymously is one thing. But a twitter account that is publicly known as his account, though? That is a different situation.
One hopes, however, that Luongo embraces this account, if it is his. He should continue to tweet and showcase his personality.
In today's NHL where bland answers and cliché responses are par for the course, it would be refreshing to see more of the players' true personalities leak into the game.
I know it's a tall order to ask that of Luongo in this market, but for a player who can be such a lightning rod for criticism, showing people that he is just a regular guy like everyone else would be a good thing. As @strombone1 himself says: "I just sh*t my pants!" Wait, OK, so maybe that wasn't as inspiring as we hoped-
Wyatt Arndt is a member of The Province's Legion of Blog. For more on Luongo's tweeting and more from the L.O.B., head to theprov-ince.com/legionofblog or follow Arndt on Twitter @thestanchion.
1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.
2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.
Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?
I think the key to UFO's argument is that the move gets executed properly. If Shannon roofed it on the backhand, Turco's chances of saving it are even slimmer. He would have to block it with his goalie stick in mid air!
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1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.
2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.
Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?
I'll explain why that move failed. I actually made a post about it before, but it's going to take a while if I really want to dig through this entire thread to find it. It involved a collage of spinorama shootouts. I think RS only saves up to 100 posts though.
Otherwise, I'm going to have to type it from scratch again...
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Price is too expensive to acquire Brown in the deadline.
I think it would be a salary dump to make room for Carter. They said it could take 2 decent prospects + 2nd round pick which isn't too bad for osmeone like brown.
although I did just read that lombardi said that he's not available
Almost sounding like a divided locker room just like when Richards was in Philly, and now they bring in his party boy Carter? This has a good chance of blowing up in Lombardi's face, when a no drinking policy has to be instituted by your teammates for you as grown adults in order for them to show up to practices on time, not be hung over for games and not cause issues in the room..........and now Lombardi wants them to be the leaders? Desperate times.
People seem to forget Philly made the finals with Carter and Richards as the heart of the offense. He's a player who scored 35/40 goals a year, if reports are true he was doing that while partying like a rockstar. After leaving that shit hole Columbus I think he's going to be highly motivated. I mean who wouldn't?
And why so serious? I love the Canucks and all, but I hate it when our fans get cocky and say... this is unstoppable... that is a sure thing... the Boston Bruins are just a formality to the Stanley Cup... Chara is a pylon.... etc.
It makes us ALL look bad.
Forgive my exaggeration. I'll start saying that Burrows backhand deke is a probable goal instead of unstoppable if that makes you feel better. It's not like Burrows is the only player doing this move. How many times has Lu been beaten on the same move, both to catcher and blocker side? I'll maintain that this move, which I'll call the Burrow's patented backhand, is 'damn-near' unstoppable as long as its properly executed. Any player is free to use it royalty free to Burrows.
I'm not sure how you lead from a sure thing shoot out move to sure thing Stanley Cup, the fact you draw that conclusion makes you as a fan look bad. Don't worry so much about how my lack of hockey knowledge makes you as a fan look bad, just focus on making yourself look like a good fan.
For the Shannon/Turco spinorama, I'll say that instead of Turco saving a stoppable move, Shannon got lazy and didn't finish by getting the puck up even 6" off the ice, let alone roofing it. He also started his spin a bit early and gave Turco time to barely make the desperation move. I don't consider a shot or move saveable if the goalie has to make a hail-mary move and hope that the shooter shoots into his body or stick. Just like how you think the Burrows backhand is not a sure thing, Turco's playing of the spinorama also does not ensure a save. So this way of playing the spinorama is NOT the textbook way to play it, there is no textbook way to stop it and still respect the shooter's options, Turco just happened to be lucky this time.
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I think the key to UFO's argument is that the move gets executed properly. If Shannon roofed it on the backhand, Turco's chances of saving it are even slimmer. He would have to block it with his goalie stick in mid air!
Exactly. But that is still technically 'saveable', Turco could have stuck his stick in the air and the puck could have hit it, however improbable. IMO the spinorama properly executed is as close to a sure thing as Burrows backhand deke is. But for Noir's sake, I'll have to say highly probable.
People seem to forget Philly made the finals with Carter and Richards as the heart of the offense. He's a player who scored 35/40 goals a year, if reports are true he was doing that while partying like a rockstar. After leaving that shit hole Columbus I think he's going to be highly motivated. I mean who wouldn't?
There were also Briere, Giroux, Gagne, Hartnell, and Pronger. The list went on.
But they were the problem when the coach initiated dry island but they continued to party and drink.
1. Turco totally bit on that fake too and he still got it which means: (1) it's totally saveable if a goalie doesn't bite. (2) It's still saveable EVEN if the goalie bites via hailmary acrobatics.
2. Video is in 2006. So the saveability of this move isn't just a new found discovery to combat this move.
Soooooooooooooooooo we were saying? Unstoppable eh?
1) Notice how early Shannon performs the spinorama. He's still near the faceoff circle.
2) Note that he performs the spin before even cutting across half way of the net, meaning the goalie doesn't commit to sliding across as much.
If Shannon executed it properly like every other player, the puck would have been long in the net before Turco's desperate attempt to sprawl out.
Since 2006, a save was made on this butchered attempt.
Not sure have there been one since, if you even want to count this one.
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Almost sounding like a divided locker room just like when Richards was in Philly, and now they bring in his party boy Carter? This has a good chance of blowing up in Lombardi's face, when a no drinking policy has to be instituted by your teammates for you as grown adults in order for them to show up to practices on time, not be hung over for games and not cause issues in the room..........and now Lombardi wants them to be the leaders? Desperate times.
Desperate times indeed.
Looks like his last ditch effort to make things happen and save his job.
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Looks like his last ditch effort to make things happen and save his job.
Carter and Richards are both human. They've made mistakes in the past and they are now given a chance to make good on their previous blunders. Besides, you don't mess with Sutter when he's the coach. We all knew the kind of player Lapierre was before he came here and he's much better sorted now. If you were Carter, you would know this is his last chance at being a high-level player that is wanted by any team.
To me, this was a pretty good trade for the Kings, all things considered. They still have a goaltender that they can use in a trade and they can reunite two players who have good chemistry together.
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Why so serious man? Don't need to call out my hockey knowledge. I've been watching and playing for long enough. I see what you're saying, but I have to respectfully disagree in this case.
Burrows fake to backhand top corner is as close as things come to a sure thing. Burrows has tried his 'repertoire' of other moves enough for me to have significantly less confidence in those other moves, I'd rather him try his deke to backhand everytime even though everyone else may have the book on it. I'm obviously not going to guarantee he will put it in every single time, but odds are if he executes that move appropriately, he will put it in way more often than not.
And that is the key, that the move gets executed properly. The times that move has been stopped was when he put the forehand deke on too early and gave goalies time to move over and stop the backhand, or he fakes the forehand too late and puts himself too tight to lift the backhand over the goalie. The speed he is coming in on net is vital as well, too slow and goalie has more time to move, too fast and he loses the handle on the puck a bit or puts himself too deep to get a good angle on backhand.
Breaking down last night's shot in particular, if you watch it again, you'll see that Burrows faked the forehand shot, but Howard didn't bite on it at all. Goalies have to respect that fake forehand shot even if they know he won't shoot it. Because of the speed Burrows came in at, the ONLY thing Howard could do was kick out his left leg, extend and flop like Luongo does so often and hope that Burrows can't get it up and hits the extended pad or lowered trapper.
I see what Aznightmare is saying about the spinorama as well, and I agree. If executed properly, it is very difficult to stop because the goalie has to respect the shooter's move to forehand even if they know the spinorama is impending. If the spinorama gets backhanded up high like how Bertuzzi often does it, I would be willing to put a few bucks on the table to say that it too cannot be stopped.
I agree with UFO and Azn.
The goalie has to respect the shot. If goalie cheats to plays the deke or spin then shooter has great chance shooting. If not than the fake has high chance of success. Best if the shooter is coming in with speed and has a decent reach. Just because a goalie knows the move doesn't mean he can stop it. I'll take 50% any day. And if he didn't try his other less successful methods, % would prob be higher.
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