No, I agree. But why Brown is my point.

And regarding Sutter. Not a great GM but his record as a coach is pretty amazing.

I'm not saying someone needs to play in the NHL to be credible, but you've only started to play goal for a few years so you don't need to be so headstrong with your opinions.

My brother played at the BC Wintergames as a goalie and my dad played div 1 as a goalie out at 8 rinks. I grew up in a hockey home. I've been playing hockey for over 20 years so take this with a grain of salt if you like.

In the pissing match between you and Noir, both of you guys share some valid points and some misguided assumptions.

You claim players on only starting to roof backhand shots now. That is not true. Mats Sundin's go to move is similar to Burrow's forehad deke backhand shot. He used it against his former team to win the shootout for the Nucks in his last game against the Leafs.

Shootouts is like poker in a way. You don't know what the shooter is going to do, but you do know their tendencies from past history. If Burrows used his move 5 times in a row, and is sucessful, this will open up the net on the blocker side as goalies may start cheating that way. Imagine next time, he comes in and instead does a quick snapshot short side top shelf or 18 inches off the ice?

MayRay used the spin-o-rama move successfully then followed up with the backhand deke move. Though unsucessful, JSG was in a position to move laterally waiting for MayRay's first move which opened up his 5 hole.

Edler is a good example. 50%, he is 3 for 6 coming in and using that quick shot. As a goalie, I would think that he would eventually try a deke move but WHEN? The next shootout attempt? Never? Does he have hands of stone and cannot dangle?

You guys can argue all you want, no move is stopable because not all players can execute the same move perfectly 100% of the times. Factors like shitty ice condition can play a role.

are you guys done talking about this shootout nonsense? :lol

willie mitchell resigns with lak

If Shannon wanted to roof it on the back hand, he would need the puck pulled in a lot closer to his body on his spinorama, and not reaching out to edge of his reaches.

It's either, you spin tighter but you're not baiting the goalie as wide as you want, or you get the goalie going wide by baiting him far and just barely sweep the puck in at the edge of your reach.


It's kind of like the Forsberg 1 hand slider. It's such a wide deke because not only are you on one hand, but you're on hand hand because you're trying to extend your reach to just barely control the puck. (and by barely, i mean just guiding the puck across the line).

Ott-Lapierre-Burrows would be the most hated line in all of hockey or the "troll" line :lol
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I like how this whole debate started when UFO made the comment about how Burrows move was unstoppable and question why he even bothered trying using other moves. Imo it was a pretty unintellegent statement to make and Noir debated it pretty well (maybe went alil too serious) but i totally agree with Noir.

Now my 2 cents on the original comment which was made by UFO whichi cant find atm. Burrows move being unstoppable? Its not unstoppable but its a pretty hard move to stop thats for sure. Now questioning why Burrows would use other moves other than his patented backhand shelf is just nonsense. Ur basically saying Burrows should use that move every single time. He may as well say to the goalie, "im going backhand shelf, now try and stop that". He has to have other moves to keep the goalie guessing or his so called unstoppable move will become stoppable every single time
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^More or less what I'm trying to say, I'm just seeing it differently. My saying its unstoppable is an exaggeration, I'll own up to that. You've agreed its a difficult move to stop even if the goalie knows its coming, so it cannot become a stoppable move everytime even if the goalie knows its coming. I'd rather a shooter play a pretty hard move to stop every single time, than try something new just to see if it will work, and many times it won't. Leave the experimenting in the practices.

If goalie plays that move and cheats too much, he leaves way too much net exposed for the shooter to take advantage of, which should leave somebody with Burrows shooting ability to pick pretty easy. When a shooter is coming in, the shooting option is always there if he sees the goalie cheat to the deke. If goalie is square and not cheating, forehand fake backhand shelf will go in 9 out of 10 times because the goalie must respect the shot. So this one move, really gives the shooter 2 options. When Burrows tries his other moves, it is just to change up his book but gives him a worse chance at scoring than the backhand shelf move.

Anyhow enough goalie and shootout talk for the week. Changing topics, apparently LA tried to get Nash AND Carter. I wonder what the package going the other way would have looked like. In this salary cap day and age, we seldom see such huge blockbusters anymore :(

they were trying to sell bernier in a big package. but columbus said they weren't interested as they thought he wasnt as good as other young goalies out there (schnieder, rask)

if JJ + 1st for carter was successful, would DD + 1st land them nash? I doubt kings will even do that

they already have a hole now on defense without Jack Johnson. trading Drew Doughty would be franchise suicide.

bringing up doughty in any trade = :facepalm:
jj wasnt 100% happy in la. hes excited to be going to columbus because he wants to be the go to dman
i dont think la has that big of a hole in defence now. they have tons of GOOD d prospects. in fact the play of voynov and martinez is the reason jj was expendable

I remember a year or two back, Bernier was touted as the goalie the Kings wanted ong term, and Quick was just a very good stopgap until Bernier developed. I don't follow the Kings closely, but it seems Bernier didn't have the same opportunities that Rask did, and Schneider has been managed and developed really closely by the Canucks obviously. I didn't think Rask was available on the market, as Thomas doesn't appear to be a long term solution in Boston. What other good youngish starting calibre goalies are available? Tampa needs a goalie bad too, and have needed one all season long. Too bad they let Mike Smith go last year, he's having a good year this season

Playing behind a team like the Canucks vs. the Kings also plays a big role in any talented young goalie's development.

This shootout debate is stupid...You guys are arguing about a technicality....UFO used exaggeration and stated that Burrows move is unstoppable, and Noir is arguing that no move is unstoppable...Yes, okay, no move is "unstoppable"; he meant "damn-near unstoppable." Now STFU.

Yeah, Voynov was sent back down to the minors though. If one of the top 4 gets injured, their D looks pretty thin.

Doughty Mitchell
Scuderi Greene
Martinez Drewiske

Other rumblings.

I'm so close to banning you from this thread. :rukidding:

martinez and drewiske are good. theres a reason why they are 4th in the league for goals against and its not just because of quick. hell theyll prob be better for goals against now that JJ is gone :lawl:. simply put they have underrated dmen because they dont put up big points, which is what a lot of people look at to determine if they are "good".

Side note: Jerred Smithson from Nashville to Florida for 6th Rounder.

preds deal reeks of another trade. cap clearing for someone :suspicious:

To re-sign weber or suter
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I think next year TSN is going to provide trade deadline "week" coverage instead of the actual day. Come Monday.. all the big names are gonna be gone LOL

preds run on a cap set by the owners so i doubt its a move for next year as they could bury him in the minors if they needed cap next year/ trade in offseason. would be a move for this year.

this thread needs to work on their resign/re-sign spelling.

As per VanCanucks tweet.. I think salo is out for todays game. Probably to give him a breather
#Canucks D: 2-3. 41-23. 29-8.

#Canucks #Devils faceoff is not until 4:25pm on #TEAM1040... A slight delay as New Jersey honours Mike Emrick

i would love to see bryan allen on the canucks
i wonder if allen for mayray could work?
2.9mil vs. 2.5mil