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DanHibiki 02-28-2012 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7812505)
So is Kassian supposed to be NHL ready or what?
I'm hearing so many different theories.

I assume this trade is supposed to upgrade the Canucks NOW and make the team
more prepared to win the cup NOW.

And then there's a flip side that this guy might not even be fully NHL ready, and
power forwards usually take longer to develop than other forwards...

:fulloffuck:

Maybe good reason for me to have stayed silent for the past 15 pages and just wait
and watch him the next few games.

This is a now and future move. He brings something we haven't had since Bertuzzi left, skill + grit.

He can be effective now. If he can score then he can fit in the top 6 and if not, he can grind it out in the bottom 6.

With Henrik and Kesler locking up #1 and #2 in the center position, Cody doesn't fit since he won't surpass them anytime soon nor is he a 3rd line checker.

Kassian SHOULD turn into a good power forward for us.

jeedee 02-28-2012 02:04 AM

I also love the acquisition of Pahlsson.

It allows Kesler to be "offense only" and he won't be used on the PK as much with Manny, Lappy, and Pahlsson able to do that.
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AzNightmare 02-28-2012 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jeedee (Post 7812506)
Gillis says he's NHL ready so take it for what its worth. He was in the AHL for a bit to 'develop' and played a bit this year. Think of it when Hodgson played on the last year on the 4th line with plugs.

Kassian was in the exact situation.
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OK. Great. So we traded Hodgson for a guy that might not even crack the team roster to help us in the playoffs.
:suspicious:

I'll only consider MG's only a genius if Kassian makes an impact this season (for the cup) though,
not 2-3 years down the road.


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Originally Posted by DanHibiki (Post 7812510)
This is a now and future move. He brings something we haven't had since Bertuzzi left, skill + grit.

He can be effective now. If he can score then he can fit in the top 6 and if not, he can grind it out in the bottom 6.

With Henrik and Kesler locking up #1 and #2 in the center position, Cody doesn't fit since he won't surpass them anytime soon nor is he a 3rd line checker.

Kassian SHOULD turn into a good power forward for us.

OK, this makes a bit more sense.
Almost like MG made a "safe" gamble.

jeedee 02-28-2012 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7812514)
OK. Great. So we traded Hodgson for a guy that might not even crack the team roster to help us in the playoffs.
:suspicious:

...What are you talking about? He's played 27 games for Buffalo this season (that's what I meant by a bit of games) and is expected to play in todays game versus Phoenix.

He was brought in specifically for this years run with his size, grit, and power forward capabilities.
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AzNightmare 02-28-2012 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jeedee (Post 7812517)
...What are you talking about? He's played 27 games for Buffalo this season (that's what I meant by a bit of games) and is expected to play in todays game versus Phoenix.

He was brought in specifically for this years run with his size, grit, and power forward capabilities.
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Ok, after reading so many posts of different comments. I misunderstood, thought people were questioning whether he was really NHL ready,
meaning whether he was going to stay as a regular roster or not.

b0unce. [?] 02-28-2012 05:31 AM

Seldom does it happen that players come to Vancouver and get worse. All the players that MG has brought in this season has improved immensely compared to their past years records. Higgins and Lappy are prob the best example.
I think Kassian will flourish here.
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411ken 02-28-2012 07:22 AM

The more I read about Kassian, Pahlsson and Gragnani, the more excited I get about them coming here. We all wanted that big power forward, bottom 6 player and depth on D.. We got all that on this deal and moving forward.

Plus I don't think we've seen CoHo against oppositions' top line and top pairing D. I wanna see him against Chara, Malkin on a daily basis now as that will really put him to test.

Gillis knows what his doing but now that I've read a lot and watched Kassian's game.. something tells me that we won this trade.. and Gragnani surprising us all :P

plus.. kassian sounded reallllly excited to come play for the team so that's a plus already :)

slsSpeC 02-28-2012 07:27 AM

Cody Hodgson was never going to get top 6 minutes in Vancouver. With H Sedin and Kesler down the middle, he would've stayed as the 3rd line center. Factor in AV's trust issues with Hodgson and he would've had even fewer minutes to play.

Pahlson gives AV a true shut down line to turn to to alleviate the pressure off Kesler.

It's tough to see Cody go but he'll get the ice he needs to flourish in Buffalo.

MG1 02-28-2012 07:34 AM

Looking forward to tonight's game.

Pretty sad to see CoHo leave, but shit happens.......... it's out of our control and there's no point in crying over spilt milk. Time to move on and get geared up for the playoffs!

Trade deadline comes at right time of year. Enough time for noobs on the team to get used to the way things are done, and relief for the players on those teams that didn't move players. Log jams for last spot makes for interesting end of season. The only thing I fear about that is our players getting injured. Some teams will be fighting hard for points and it'll be tough.

bballguy 02-28-2012 07:42 AM

It seems like everyone just repeats the same thing over and over and over again in this thread...

411ken 02-28-2012 07:57 AM

^ who cares.. it's a forum man.. i'm sure we don't have time to read every single post to see if someone wrote it already..

anyways.. where would you guys put Kassian tonight?

I'd like to see

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Raymond Pahlsson Higgins
Lappy Malhotra Hansen


I think Kesler and Booth's hard work will help kassian's game.

7seven 02-28-2012 08:00 AM

Kassian reminds me of another former Canuck, the house, Jim Sandlak. Both big mean SOB, 1st rd picks, similar junior and AHL #s good hands and skill in juniors and AHL. I think realistically he'll settle into a in between Sandlak - Chris Gratton type 40-50pt servicable power forward.

Tapioca 02-28-2012 08:06 AM

^ Took the words right out of my mouth. Sandlak had 1 20-goal season and he had maybe 2-3 decent seasons before fading into obscurity. In the 90s, no one cared about Sandlak - it was Pavel, Trev, Courtnall, Ronning, and Jyrki Lumme. At least Nedved had one great season for us.

On the other hand, Cody will never be the next coming of Adam Oates. I imagine he'll settle into a solid 60 point guy.
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Not really racist! 02-28-2012 08:10 AM

I only hope this guy can hold up to what Gillis thinks he'll achieve

dbaz 02-28-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 411ken (Post 7812587)
^ who cares.. it's a forum man.. i'm sure we don't have time to read every single post to see if someone wrote it already..

anyways.. where would you guys put Kassian tonight?

3rd or 4th line book it. although everyone will be tried everywhere at one point because they will be trying to find chemistry between now and the playoffs

sandlak is a bad comparison imo, dont think he was as good and had the injury history of someone between a young sami salo and rick dipietro.

jeedee 02-28-2012 08:24 AM

@sportsnetmurph:
Samuel Pahlsson will wear #26, Zack Kassian steps right into Hodgson's old #9 jersey and MAG has taken #5. #canucks

Kassian taking Hodgsons old #9 and MAG taking Ehrhoffs old #5
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jeedee 02-28-2012 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 411ken (Post 7812587)
^ who cares.. it's a forum man.. i'm sure we don't have time to read every single post to see if someone wrote it already..

anyways.. where would you guys put Kassian tonight?

I'd like to see

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Raymond Pahlsson Higgins
Lappy Malhotra Hansen


I think Kesler and Booth's hard work will help kassian's game.

Kassian won't play on the 2nd line till the playoffs IMO.

He'll start on the 3rd/4th for now and work his way up
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7seven 02-28-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dbaz (Post 7812598)

sandlak is a bad comparison imo, dont think he was as good and had the injury history of someone between a young sami salo and rick dipietro.

Yea, the House had some injury issues after his first 3 years in pro hockey that derailed his career, I was more comparing Kassian at this stage of his career to Sandlak's early career, very similar. Sandlak was a force and star in juniors, point a game guy in juniors and AHL, star during the World Jr tourny for Canada, I think he was even the captain for team Canada, Sandlak was a very skilled big man in junior and AHL, maybe a bit more than Kassian, he was the 4th overall pick, just never got it all right at NHL level, part of it due to injurys.

SumAznGuy 02-28-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 7812608)
Yea, the House had some injury issues after his first 3 years in pro hockey that derailed his career, I was more comparing Kassian at this stage of his career to Sandlak's early career, very similar. Sandlak was a force and star in juniors, point a game guy in juniors and AHL, star during the World Jr tourny for Canada, I think he was even the captain for team Canada, Sandlak was a very skilled big man in junior and AHL, maybe a bit more than Kassian, he was the 4th overall pick, just never got it all right at NHL level, part of it due to injurys.

Don't forget, at the World JR's, Jim Sandlak put a player through the glass with a big body check. Of course Kassim knocked an opposing player into the following week. :fuckyea:

Eastwood 02-28-2012 08:46 AM

Does anyone know what the new players contracts are? Do we lose them next year?

RRxtar 02-28-2012 08:50 AM

Id expect to see Kassian start on the 3rd or 4th line in not important situations until AV sees if hes going to be a liability or not.

The canucks are built on defensively sound forwards. Everyones looking at Kassians potential offensive game, but if hes going to be playing 3rd or 4th line roles, he has to be solid in his own end. That sometimes takes a few years to develop.

em1.ac 02-28-2012 08:56 AM

Kassian drops Ovi 8


7seven 02-28-2012 09:03 AM

Always neat to see a bit of behind the scenes stuff

Official NHL trade call between Sabres, Canucks and NHL confirming Hodgson/Kassian trade


411ken 02-28-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeedee (Post 7812606)
Kassian won't play on the 2nd line till the playoffs IMO.

He'll start on the 3rd/4th for now and work his way up
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That's true..i guess i just got excited lol. I have a feeling AV will give this kid a shot to showcase his talents...i mean.. they did trade CoHo for him who's clearly a fan favorite lol

I wonder if CoHo will sign here again after his contract expires LOL.. that would be awesome

Hondaracer 02-28-2012 09:10 AM

What people aren't going to understand is that Kassian is not a direct replacement for cody

If anything phaulson (sp) is the replacement as a center, Kassian will be on the 3rd and 4th lines to add depth and grit along with the likes of reinprecht etc

He's almost setup to fail with people expecting him being better than cody, best cast scenario is that he is a serviceable depth guy that adds consistent grit to the lineup
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