Just stop putting Raymond in the shootout. He's kind of a one trick pony. Burrows, Edler, Kesler are sound.

now if Kassian can do just that, we have a legit beast if he cracks the 2nd line with kes/booth

He calls Bert an influence anyways.

Ummm... You do know that Edler, um only has one move and that is the quick snap shot? :rukidding:

Bert also roofs the backhand, if he tried to just slide it in ala Raymond he would have been stopped too. The spinorama is a bullshit trick play that should only be brought out once in a blue moon just to mess with the goalie. Raymond has done it how many times this season? As soon as he went out wide I said "ah fuck here comes that stupid spinorama" to my roommate and that's exactly what he did. Predictable is easy to stop.

Why don't we see the Sedin's in the shootout?

Bert has great hands.. best spinorama in the NHL easily

Daniel is like 0 for his last 17 attempts

Henrik is 0 for 3 and isn't a shooter

That's why..
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Sure am going to miss expecting Cody to hit the top corner on shootouts. IIRC he just hit 50% on his last chance.

Yeah, except it works consistently. Its still way less predictable than the spinorama.

Well, it works. It's how Linden got it done. Low blocker almost every time.

Nevermind. Basically i'm saying if the goalie plays deep in net, he has a good chance to save the "low shot" spinorama. Given he can reach the post.
(although the goalie leaves a ton of sure-goal options for the shooter if the shooter keeps his head up).

I was trying to explain earlier that it MIGHT have had something to do with how Raymond skated in, making Smith easily predicting the spinorama.
Or maybe not. I'm sure Smith did his homework, buy Raymond has a bagful of dumb (unsuccessful) moves too that involve coming in from the side.
Either way, Bertuzzi would have scored on a low shot anyway in that video.
If you compare the two shootouts, Smith didn't have his right skate against the right post, therefore Smith slid out of position, like every other goalie.
But players that go high on the spinorama pretty much seals the deal.
Because playing deep in net won't save that still.

Most Canuck players as of current roster haven't displayed a lot of consistency (besides maybe Edler). But Raymond wasn't any better or worse than the rest.
Chances of Raymond scoring with the spinorama was very high rated. Even though it got stopped, it never failed until yesterday.
And it was as one trick pony as Burrows fake, backhand move. 99% of the time when Burrows didn't use this move, he wouldn't score.
Kesler likes to mix things up, which is good... but he's only 20%




Don't remember when's the last time I've seen Daniel come into the shootout with confidence like this.

^
If a skater manages to evade a fully-committed pokecheck and maintain control of the puck, the goalie's pretty much screwed...

(Talking about Sedin's goal on Turco)

Yeah, maybe Daniel did his homework and knew Turco's an aggressive goalie.
It seemed like Daniel skated in knowing what move he was going to do even prior to seeing the pokecheck.


^lol, found this video.
I watched various shootouts from Daniel Sedin on youtube, seems like he has some very nice moves...

but why so often, I see him skate up, looking hesitant, and then running out of room to shoot...

So is being a one trick pony a good thing or bad? Cause it sounds like it is a bad thing for MayRay at 22% this season but a good thing for Edler who is 42.9% on the one and only move he has shown.

Azn, I don't even know where to begin with you.
Basically, Smith played MayRay to do the spinorama, and co-incide with the fact that the move was poorly executed didn't go high on the backhand, that led to MayRay being stopped. All he had to do was keep the puck in tighter and go roof daddy and that would have been in and we wouldn't be having this discussion about MayRay being a "one trick pony".

It's definitely a repost... But, it's a good one

he stfu up whole game after that :lol

The darkness.

It's good if you're successful.

It's bad if you're Mason Raymond.

I see nothing wrong with being a one trick pony.
Raymond and Burrows' sucess rate comes from their go-to moves.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about Raymond failing at the
spinorama because it's predictable... It's been 100% successful until last night.

I'm not sure if quick snapshot can be counted as a go-to move.
Unless they are being aimed at the same spots every time.

But as far as predictability goes, snap shots are hard to read...
there's nothing to read from. The goalie can see a snap shot coming,
but has no idea where the shooter's aiming. Which is why Linden was so good.

The most dangerous shooter on the shootout is someone who can score with many different tricks.
Johnathan Toews is a good example of this.

Pavel Datsyuk is another guy with a million different moves. Here's one example.

As a goalie, you don't know what they are going to do. Shoot, where? Deke? Forehand, backhand?

In the shootout, as a goalie, you really don't have any time to "see" where the shot is going if the guy is a quality shooter. Most of the time, you have to just reach out and hope that your oversized gear will stop the puck.

When I posted last night for another 3 pages of shootout talk, I really was just joking, lol

I can never get enough of The Rat getting destroyed, with a clean hit no less.

^
I am envisioning in my mind right now Kassian doing that in the place of Subban and Marchand exploding upon impact

OMG someone make a gif out of that

Yeah, it's 100% successful until it's finally stopped (which has been done in more than one occasion). That's like Ron Burgundy's "60% of the time it works... EVERY TIME" quote.

Can you just detach yourself from the argument and just think about how you sound? Because seriously, I can debunk your "I see nothing wrong with 1 trick ponies" with nothing more than a Ron Burgundy quote.

reminds me a little bit of this but the subban hit on marchand had a much larger impact on his small frame

I remember everyone was crying about how we didn't draft big, bad Lucic, and we missed out. Now that we FINALLY acquire 6'4" 213lb Kassian who is in his mold and possibly even has the potential to be even better, everyone starts crying about how we lose skill with Hodgson. I'll bet that when we win the Cup, they will be like "Why aren't we back-to-back winners?" Vancouver fans are never happy :alonehappy: