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Let's be real.. whoever says we don't need to worry till the playoffs needs to give their heads a shake. Sure, it doesn't matter till the playoffs but the Sedins being unable to produce is becoming CONSISTENT, not just a game here or there.
We're supposed to be gearing in towards the playoffs, and with this huge bunch of games at home, I think its kind of counterproductive; we're too tentative, too comfortable. Something needs to be done period.
Yeah. Anyone who's played hockey at a somewhat competitive level knows it's not as easy as throwing on a switch. You get into a groove, and the Canucks are not in a good one as of now. Our top 2 centres have 1 goal in the last 13 games. That's just not good enough.
What's the point of "getting into a groove", dominating weak competition in the next 15-16 games remaining and having nothing left in the tank in the playoffs?
The argument of "The Sedins need to put up points/dominate their opponents every game" is the same argument earlier this year when the Canucks were 13th in the standings [EARLY in the season] and needing to go "82-0".
There's still tons of games to be played. It's better to pace yourself than tire yourself.
The only thing we should be worried about is guys getting injured and having someone like Raymond play in the top 6 to provide offense. That's when you should be REALLY scared.
Huh? Why wouldn't you want to get in a winning groove? There are 15 games left in the season, and winning a couple of them can do wonders for confidence. Playing lazy and not giving a shit can only develop bad habits. No one said the Sedins need to dominate, but they definitely need to find their game.
There is a difference between pacing yourself and playing like shit.
Like I said, it's better for the team to pace themselves than blow their wad, and blowout the opposition every night. The Canucks are currently on a 2 game losing streak, but people are making it a big deal like when they were 5-6 early in the season with LOTS OF GAMES TO GO.
This happened last season aswell. They were playing like shit but found their game, went 15-4 in the final games into the playoffs.
Just relax. The Canucks will "get into a groove" and so will the Sedins
Not so much the team I'm worried about but more so the Sedins and Kes. They're not producing and it hasn't just been a couple games, it's been quite the stretch here. I understand the whole philosophy of being comfortable in the standings and cruising into the playoffs - but becoming complacent can only lead to failure imo. I just can't believe they haven't been trying to produce for the past 20+ games.
A bit uneasy when your team's top players aren't producing at all.
Maybe more forgiving if they are getting points here and there, but still losing the game.
But when it looks like your top players are just completely shut down, I don't buy it.
Really? Some of you think they are just being the biggest troll and saving energy for the playoffs?
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I find it funny how you mention Malholtra's pros, but not Raymond's
Everyone on the Canucks plays a specific role. The Sedin's aren't used for those roles you mentioned. The same can also be said for Malholtra/Raymond. Has either ever been considered a Hart candidate? Can either score [more than 20 goals] multiple seasons? Can either play on the powerplay efficiently? Can either take faceoffs in the offensive zone and make an impact?
It's comparing apples to oranges.
The only time you should be REALLY worried is the Sedin's being "invisible" in the playoffs for when it "really matters". The Canucks are guaranteed to finish top 3 with 15~ games remaining. I'm sure they'll find their game
I guess it's easy to nitpick at the twins cause lets face it, if they're not scoring or producing chances, they're pretty much doing nothing at all. That's why they tend to look invisible out there.
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It's not about the Sedins not producing, its about them not being able to play THEIR game.
Sure, don't score, but at least be able to generate some good scoring plays / chances. All I've seen is many many misplaced passes and an inability to get a really good cycle going.
What's the point of divisions if you have a 3rd seed team with 75 points and the 9th team to have 80 points, yet the 80 point team does not make the playoffs?
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I think right now is about the worst it's ever been, with Florida sitting in 3rd in the Eastern Conference with 74 points, but Ottawa sits in 7th with 78 points.
While theoretically it may be possible that a division leader has fewer points than eight other teams in the two other divisions, it's very unlikely to happen... so I would say right now is about the worst it can get.
Terrible game last night... and the score already flatters the Canucks. The Stars missed about four open nets chances.
At the same time, being in a slump now isn't the worst thing in the world. There's no reason to believe the team can't turn it around, and if they are going to slump at some point in the season, it might as well be now, and then hopefully they find their groove back just before going into the playoffs.
Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
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Suspension worthy? He had his head down but it was straight to the head.
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Their stars are struggling and not surprisingly so are the Vancouver Canucks.
With the Sedins and Ryan Kesler silent, the Canucks suddenly are looking like a rather ordinary team.
They scored first Tuesday night, but couldn't do much after that and dropped a sloppy 5-2 decision to the Dallas Stars at Rogers Arena.
The loss was the second straight in regulation for the Canucks. That hasn't happened since early November, when they dropped back-to-back games in Minnesota and St. Louis.
The Canucks have now lost four of their last five games, which is their worst slump of the season.
Henrik Sedin has gone six games without a point, while Daniel Sedin has one point in the last six. Kesler has scored one goal in his last 13 games.
To make matters worse, the Sedins and Alex Burrows struggled on defence and were on the ice for both Dallas goals in the third period.
Coach Alain Vigneault continues to preach patience with the Sedins.
"Those guys have been the foundation of this team since I have been here and I have a lot of trust and faith in them," he said after the game. "You have to trust that they are going to figure it out."
The twins and Burrows were a combined minus-seven on the night.
"Their game is definitely not where they want it to be," Vigneault said. "We can say they are getting chances, we can say all the right things, but at the end of the day they are our offensive players, they are there to produce and right now they are fighting it a little bit."
Henrik Sedin seemed reluctant to acknowledge that he and his brother are indeed struggling.
"I thought we played a pretty good game," Henrik said. "We made a few mistakes, but I thought we had enough chances to win the game. It seemed like the breakdowns we had turned out to be a goal for them.
"There comes a time when creating chances isn't good enough. You have to score goals to win games and that's where we are right now."
The Stars, who are now 8-1-2 in their last 11 games and beat the Canucks in over-time last weekend in Dallas, got a big insurance goal from Jamie Benn at 4: 25 of the third period. Seconds after teammate Adam Burish had fanned on an empty net, Benn got the puck in the left circle and beat Vancouver goalie Roberto Luongo to give the Stars a 3-1 lead.
Canuck defenceman Alex Edler made it interesting at 7: 55 of the third when he skated up the middle of the ice and put a long shot over the right shoulder of Dallas goalie Richard Bachman.
But the Stars scored off the rush at 11: 11 of the third when Mike Ribeiro converted a goal-mouth pass from Michael Ryder and restored their two-goal lead. Stephane Robidas added an empty-netter with four seconds remaining.
Winger Chris Higgins, who had a goal and assisted on Edler's third-period goal, suggested the Canucks are perhaps not as motivated as some of their opposition, who like the Stars are battling for their playoff lives. The Canucks, with a huge lead in the Northwest Division, seem destined to finish either first or second in the Western Conference.
"The playoffs have started for a number of teams already," Higgins said. "They are battling every night just for the two points in the standings. We have to find that hunger as well. We have to find that hunger to win the conference, be the best team in the Western Conference. It helped last year with the home ice [advantage] through those first three series."
The Canucks grabbed a 1-0 lead at 6: 45 of the second period when Higgins beat Bachman stick side with a wrist shot from the top of the right circle. The play started when the Stars turned over the puck at the Vancouver blue-line. Dallas defenceman Alex Goligoski then blew a tire, allowing Higgins room to skate down the right wing.
But the Stars got two quick goals late in the second to grab the lead. A Trevor Daley pass hit the left skate of Loui Eriksson and got by Luongo at the 16: 44 mark. The power-play goal came with Burrows off serving a slashing minor.
Ribeiro put the Stars in front when he beat Luongo on a 2-on-1 rush with Ryder. Ribeiro hung onto the puck and was allowed to skate in close on Luongo before snapping a shot over the left shoulder of the Canuck goalie. The goal came with 23 seconds remaining in the second period.
"This one was a tough one to assess," Luongo said. "I really don't know what to make of it. It was a weird game, a lot of their goals came from right in the goalmouth ... Obviously that is not the type of hockey we want to be playing. Luckily, they didn't connect on most of them [odd-man rushes]."
The highlight of a scoreless first period came early. Zack Kassian was awarded a penalty shot 24 seconds into the game when he was hooked from behind on a breakaway by Dallas defenceman Mark Fistric. Kassian lost the puck as he tried to move it to his backhand as he skated in on Bachman.
"To be honest I was pretty nervous," Kassian said.
"I was gripping the stick pretty tight. It was tough, it's always tough not to convert on those. I do that move all the time, but I was just a little nervous and the puck slid off my stick."
"The playoffs have started for a number of teams already," Higgins said. "They are battling every night just for the two points in the standings. We have to find that hunger as well. We have to find that hunger to win the conference, be the best team in the Western Conference. It helped last year with the home ice [advantage] through those first three series."
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I knew this team was better with Wellwood in the lineup. At least he was always hungry.
My understanding was that Kesler was a more "sure thing" to actually play in the NHL. I thought and still think that this line of reasoning is a load a crock. It is this mentality that has eroded the talent in the NHL and turned it into rugby on ice.
Don't get me wrong, Kesler is a nice player, but he is at best a #3 center for sure. I cannot imagine him getting 60+ points as a 2nd line center on any team in the NHL.
Tambellini has the skills to be a 2nd line player/winger. But he also has the ability to best and never play and NHL game.
This one still bugs me as a Canucks fan, but I can also see the Canucks reasoning with Federov, Reid, Kariya... the Canucks have taken chances and had these players blow up in their faces.
Last 10: Canucks 5-3-2, Rangers 5-3-2, Wings 5-4-1, Bruins 4-5-1.
The teams commonly considered as the top four Cup contenders have hit the skids recently. It's most likely because they see the finish line while teams like Dallas are fighting for their lives.
It's not just the Canucks slumping so RELAX, we got this
^so lets say daniel saw a bruin player in a vunerable position and he decided to lay him out with a perfectly clean check, he should answer the bell? I only believe in answering the bell if u throw a dirty hit. Posted via RS Mobile
lol even garry vaulk and don taylor knew that the sedins are lying in the post game show. They gave evidence and supported it through the video they shown. I was facepalming too when the twins said that but they are humble and so nice. It is better than saying they are doing worst D:
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Really? Some of you think they are just being the biggest troll and saving energy for the playoffs? 
