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haha odd goal by the Isles, Moulson with the shot, deflected high to the glass by Tavares, Neuvirth turns around to track it and bounces of his chest into the net
Right now we have Sedins and Burrows up front and Kesler and Edler at the point for our Powerplay. As much as i like Edler, id rather have Salo shooting cause he hits the net way better than Edler does. Plus Henrik can hit him with the one time much more better. Now all we need is the refs to call a penalty for a dam change
Right now we have Sedins and Burrows up front and Kesler and Edler at the point for our Powerplay. As much as i like Edler, id rather have Salo shooting cause he hits the net way better than Edler does. Plus Henrik can hit him with the one time much more better. Now all we need is the refs to call a penalty for a dam change
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.
My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.
My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.
Oh boy, I wonder how many goalies will have concussions.
Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.
We can debate whether goalies should be allowed to come out and play the puck or not...
but good in-depth article why a goalie is NOT FAIR GAME for contact.
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.
My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.
BINGO.
Cant believe they made this trapezoid rule because of one of the greatest goalies...Brodeur.
No one is forcing them to play the puck. The D-men can grab it if they're scared. But once you leave your crease...you're fair game.
Goalies these days are minimum 6 feet 200lbs. They can hold their own.
^Goalies are minimum 6 feet 200lbs, with a shitload of extra padding. Extra padding that keeps them from defending themselves properly if they do get hit. When i say defending i mean bracing themselves for the hit. Goalies are like Quarterbacks. They need to be protected.
^Goalies are minimum 6 feet 200lbs, with a shitload of extra padding. Extra padding that keeps them from defending themselves properly if they do get hit. When i say defending i mean bracing themselves for the hit. Goalies are like Quarterbacks. They need to be protected.
Your allowed to hit Quarterbacks...
Goalies playing the puck puts another dynamic into the game. Watching Marty play the puck was a thing of beauty and watching others fail is hilarious as well.
Maybe we can find a balancing point on this rule. Increase the current trapezoid crease but beyond that you're fair game.
I believe the balancing point is to allow the goalie to play the puck (area playable is debatable) but it really should be first come first serve.
If it's along the boards and the goalie beat the player to it, have the respect and not go for free a hit.
Goalies aren't fair game for hitting as I posted earlier.
If it's a breakaway race, goalies have the chance to gamble and race for the puck.
Goalie either gets it first or get humiliated as the player goes around and shoots into an empty net.
Once again, first come first serve.
Not a free opportunity to lay out the goalie if he reaches the puck first.
-Goalie gear are only protected from one side, the front
-Weak shoulder pads
-Almost no protection in the back
-No rib protection
-Bulky front heavy gear, making goalies off balance and fall and land in dangerous positions.
-masks are attached loosely for puck impact absorbtion, not bodycheck collision
I'm not familiar with Football gear.
Do quarterbacks wear similar equipment as the others, but lighter versions, or are they just typically smaller, more agile, athletes
(which is why they are more prone to injury)?
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haha odd goal by the Isles, Moulson with the shot, deflected high to the glass by Tavares, Neuvirth turns around to track it and bounces of his chest into the net
Very odd! First "tipped" goal that wasn't tipped on net to begin with.
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Oh boy, I wonder how many goalies will have concussions.
The solution to this, stay in the crease if you don't want to get hit. Not every hit is going to be a highlight reel hit, and not every hit will cause a concussion. I'm not convinced there are more concussions in the game now than 15 years ago. There is much more awareness now, and every potential concussion is treated as a full on concussion. Every hit where the head is involved to any degree is labelled a headshot. 15 years ago, anything not apparently obvious, you are back on the ice to try and skate it off. I'm sure guys dealt with mild headaches and symptoms and just played through.
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it really should be first come first serve.
If it's along the boards and the goalie beat the player to it, have the respect and not go for free a hit.
Goalies aren't fair game for hitting as I posted earlier.
If it's a breakaway race, goalies have the chance to gamble and race for the puck.
Goalie either gets it first or get humiliated as the player goes around and shoots into an empty net.
Once again, first come first serve.
Not a free opportunity to lay out the goalie if he reaches the puck first.
I fully understand the restrictions in mobility, and the limited side and back protection of goalie gear. The solution to this, stay in the crease if you don't want to get hit. If you leave your crease, doesn't mean you'll get hit. Keep your head up, just like every other player. If you play by the first come first served rule, there will ALWAYS be some level of discretion because the game moves at such a high pace.
In the Lucic/Miller incident from earlier this season, Miller beat Lucic to the puck by maybe half a second, likely less. You can tell that Lucic made no attempt to avoid the collision, instead bracing himself and sending Miller flying. But Miller also made zero effort to protect himself. In Lucic's defense (and I hate to have to defend a Bruin) you can also say he was just protecting himself, there was no guarantee that if he tried to avoid contact that Miller wouldn't have also turned the same way and resulted in a collision where both were in a vulnerable position, its a 50/50 game of chicken at this point. What if they both arrived to the puck at the same time, and the collision was made? What if Lucic had gotten to the puck a fraction of a second before Miller, but both were still on an obvious collision course? Miller made zero effort to protect himself because he assumed that Lucic was not going to go for the contact regardless of who got to the puck first, and that is something I think that should change. If Miller knew that there was a chance he would get steamrolled if they arrived at the puck at the same time or was beat out by Lucic, he would at the very least brace himself to a degree for contact, or else not made the risk of getting hit and just played the shot.
Ovi laying out Subban is absolutely great to watch, but Subban was able to prepare himself for the hit and sent himself flying. Had he not elevated, Subban would have been hurt much much more even though the hit would not have looked as spectacular. With any position, usually the most devastating hits are the ones where the receiving player is not aware the hit is coming and cannot properly brace or prepare for it.
If we are going to give goalies special no hit privileges, they should not be allowed to throw anything either, whether it be hacks to the back of the leg or full out crosschecks.
Odd how the 2 questionable plays above both involve Bruins players But back to the no-play trapezoid, which is a different issue from making goalies fair game. It serves no function whatsoever IMO.
Its completely counterintuitive. Their reason for this proposed reinstatement of the red line is to build some virtual wall in the middle of the neutral zone so that it will literally slow the game down to prevent concussion. When did a two-line pass ever cause a concussion? I agree that making stretch passes ENCOURAGES players to create faster game and make more of those “dangerous” plays but that’s like making fights in hockey illegal to prevent brain injuries. Banning fights is not going to prevent these injuries because very very few ppl get brain injuries through fights alone, just like the perception of getting concussions from long stretch passes.
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We talked about this back in November so I will just quote myself:
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I'd be against open season on goalies for 2 reasons:
1. Goalies rarely, if ever, utilize speed when making contact with a player and will lose out in most cases, increasing the chances of injury.
2. Injuries to goalies have a much bigger effect on a game than they do to players. A coach can easily shuffle lines to make up for the loss of a player. The loss of a goalie means replacing him with a backup. If the backup then goes down with injury, the coach will have to dress whoever he can find, play without, or forfeit. The role of a goalie factors into a game so much so that the rules allow for players to serve out minor penalties incurred by the goalie.
edit: Another example of the importance of a goalies: replacing a goalie in order to send a message to the team when the goalie was not at fault for the goals against.
Its completely counterintuitive. Their reason for this proposed reinstatement of the red line is to build some virtual wall in the middle of the neutral zone so that it will literally slow the game down to prevent concussion. When did a two-line pass ever cause a concussion? I agree that making stretch passes ENCOURAGES players to create faster game and make more of those “dangerous” plays but that’s like making fights in hockey illegal to prevent brain injuries. Banning fights is not going to prevent these injuries because very very few ppl get brain injuries through fights alone, just like the perception of getting concussions from long stretch passes.
That's not the only reason why they want to re-instate the Red line. The other reasoning is because there is very little 'plays' now made in the neutral zone now. Everyone just stands by the blue line and tips it into the offensive zone and forecheck. The way teams enter the offensive zone is pretty much dumbed down now. The thought is yes slowing the game down, but also making more plays.
Now instead of slap passing into the offensive zone, they'll just run into a trap in the neutral zone again, just like before. I can't believe they want to go back to that Posted via RS Mobile
Imo I think goalies should be fair game. Afterall in the end, they are considered players and shouldn't get special treatment unless the rules state it. It's more of an unwritten rule to not kill the goalie. But in the event the goalie leaves the blue paint, he should be considered open game. Within his bubble, ya I think he's untouchable. The goalie has got to be able to make the save within his crease, which is why players tend to watch their feet and make sure they are standing right on the edge of it in fear of the goal possibly being disallowed.
If the goalie skates out half way to the blue line to play the puck and gets run over, that's his fault.
The no touch icing I'm fine with. 9/10 if the call was close and the ref isn't sure who made it to the puck, they will usually just give it to the defender. Posted via RS Mobile
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But back to the no-play trapezoid, which is a different issue from making goalies fair game. It serves no function whatsoever IMO.
