The iPhone 4S & iOS 5 Thread

[dangonay]

Siri.com is down and now links to Apple instead. Too bad as they had some good information on the history of Siri. Years ago DARPA funded what is probably the most ambitious AI project ever, called CALO. SRI (Stanford Reasearch Institute) oversaw CALO and Siri is derived from this research.

Siri is not voice recognition - Siri is AI. People only see the voice recog part as that is how you interact with Siri, but that's only scratching the surface.

[Psykopathik]

Originally Posted by areyounoob

RIP Steve Jobs.

Though I do feel that this tragedy has inclined many people to buy Apple products out of sympathy.

now they have 5.1 billion $. I seriously doubt anyone buys a $700 phone out of sympathy

[SpartanAir]

Originally Posted by G

Woohoo, just got iOS5 on my ip4 AWesomessssss

How do you get IOS 5 on the iphone 4? Must it be jailbroken?

Also, how many people here run Cydia/ havejailbroken their phones and is it worth it?

Wondering if I should, my 1st gen iphone was jailbroken, but I dunno if it's worth losing my warranty, or losing all my info when I restore the phone..

[c3m]

^ IOS5 is not just for 4S. It can be install on 3GS and 4 as well.
Apple released GM on keynote day and you can install the GM version right now if you have a developer account or a quick google search.

Or you can wait til next week for the official public launch

[vitaminG]

ip4s is gonna be available to waitlist at 3am tonight.

iPhone 4s can be reserved at the Rogers reservation system tomorrow (10/7) @6AM EST

[StylinRed]

for those wondering about the 4S camera

Steve Litchfield did a compare (by the numbers) of the 4S SII N8
(now be warned he is a nokia fan so he actually compares quite a few legendary nokia cameras as well)

So what you can basically glean from this is the 4S' camera should be as good as the S2s better in low-light

For those who were wondering about the Apple iPhone 4S's camera vs the N8

Published by Steve Litchfield at 5:43 UTC, October 5th 2011

As many people will know, the Apple iPhone 4S was announced last night, with one of the chief improvements being a better camera with better Back Side Illumination, wider aperture and an extra optical element. Leaving aside other elements of the iPhone 4S (which, interestingly, retained its 3.5" screen), such as the Siri voice control, I thought you might be interested in a comment or three on the 4S's camera, as it compares to some of Nokia's camera phone units.

Primarily, its crucial light-gathering ability, by far the biggest factor when considering how a smartphone camera performs when the light is less than optimal (i.e. not sunny!)

Using the table format from my original article:

Again, I've used some homegrown maths, calculating the sensor area of a number of comparable camera smartphones, allowing for the lens aperture size used (the 'F' number), and then allowing an extra percent (as appropriate, using the original manufacturer claims) for the recent crop of devices with BSI (Back Side Illuminated sensors):

Apple's keynote claim, that the Back Side Illumination means up to 70% more usable light reaching the CMOS sensor, is extravagant but possible. Essentially, BSI involves changing the position of the sensor's wiring so that no unwanted reflections or obstructions mar the photon detection. With BSI compensation, you can see that the iPhone 4S's camera could potentially produce better results in indifferent light than even the Galaxy S II - but it's still some way short of the raw light gathering potential of the two year old N86 and far short of the one year old N8.

iPhone 4S vs N8 cameraAdd in the use of Carl Zeiss optics in the N8 and add in the Neutral Density filter (for handling bright sunny conditions and ensuring that too much light doesn't get through to the sensor), and the N8 stays even further in the lead.

Then add in the proper Xenon flash, almost unique these days to the Nokia N8, which takes care of indoor, low light situations (parties, events, meets, living rooms, clubs, etc) and, on the camera front at least, the N8 and iPhone 4S are still some way apart.

Just in case you were wondering!

You may also be puzzled that the N8 has a comparatively high 'F' number, meaning a smaller aperture, when compared to the newer Galaxy S II and iPhone 4S cameras. The latter two devices have deliberately larger apertures, again to try and capture more light to fall on their physically limited 1/3.2" sensors.

This is a valid approach, in general, in photography, but does have the disadvantage that there will generally be significantly less depth of field. Great for arty portraits and macro shots where you want everything blurred in the background, not so good for generic photos. Balancing F 'stops' and shutter speed has always been part of the art of traditional photography - it's no surprise to see different manufacturers tinkering with a different balance/formula in smartphone camera technology.

On the video/camcorder front, the iPhone 4S also introduced 1080p video capture with image stabilisation - good to see, though it should be pointed out that the quality difference (at this sensor size) between 720p capture and 1080p capture is marginal and that, contrary to some commentator comments during the Apple announcement, image stabilisation isn't something new. The Nokia N95 had this in 2007, as have most Nokia camera phones since, albeit based on frame processing rather than using accelerometer input explicitly.

The N8's video will still be better overall, for most people, because of the stereo digital sound and intelligent digital zoom, both features which are still, as far as I know, unique to the N8 (and N86).

Please note that this is not me 'having a go' at the new iPhone - which I see as a nice evolution on the existing iPhone 4. I just wanted to update my table and comparison comments in the light of the new smartphone announcement. The iPhone 4S has plenty of unique (mainly software) features of its own, of course - which are covered on plenty of other sites around the web.

Steve, AAS, 5th October 2011

For those who were wondering about the Apple iPhone 4S's camera vs the N8 - All About Symbian

[dangonay]

Just saw this update for Real Racing. Not a game I'm into, but the multiplayer concept is cool. A single A5 device (iPad 2 or iPhone 4S) is the host and up to 3 other iOS devices can play together, while the host streams the output to your TV.

Real Racing 2 Party Play - YouTube

!

[DanHibiki]

^ When my friends and I first got the iPhone 4, we thought we'd be playing sooo many multiplayer games together. But we never ever did.

[TRDeol]

anyone having problems logging onto fido or rogers to reserve it?

[dyan]

Thought it was supposed to be at 3AM PST

But i can't log into fido either

[essel]

I can't log in Rogers either

[HonestTea]

JUST RESERVED!

[dyan]

^
From applestore?

[TRDeol]

Originally Posted by HonestTea

JUST RESERVED!

From where, been trying for an hour...

[HonestTea]

Apple store yeah

[vitaminG]

myrogers says its undergoing maintenance from 2am to 6am EST, so it should be online just in time to receive orders...

you can preorder it from apple store as of midnight

[TRDeol]

apple only has pre-order at full price. Im reserving it for 40 dollars through rogers so i can pick it up for 199 on my renewed contract.

[HonestTea]

Reserving cost $40?!

[TRDeol]

ya, but it gets credited toward the cost of the phone when you pick it up. so you only end up paying 159 when you pick it up and 40 dollars now

[BaoTurbo]

Any clue or hint when the 5 is going to come out tho?
Posted via RS Mobile

[En4cer]

will it be 650 everywhere without contracts

[TRDeol]

yes

[En4cer]

and all the iPhone 4s on the apple store are unlocked?

[TRDeol]

you are correct sir

[dyan]

^
Can you log onto fidO?