Android vs iOS vs Blackberry

[!MiKrofT]

Originally Posted by dangonay

^ Way to miss the point. Why take a snip of what I said and make an assumption? I already stated in my post that because I don't use something doesn't mean it doesn't sell. Same thing as assuming because you use something that everyone does.

Sticking to facts, less than about 10% of smartphone users use Whatsapp. This is based on the actual number of smartphones in the market that can run Whatsapp divided by the number of people who have downloaded Whatsapp. Don't know why that's such a hard concept to grab.
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I never said just because I use it everyone else does. You stated nobody outside of the Netherlands uses it. I do and all my friends do. I NEVER implied or said that just because I use it everyone else does too. Also according to iTunes its the the most popular messaging app. In addition whatsapp developers have never really released the amount of users they have officially so you can't have factual numbers.

[jeff19]

Google has an updated version of their app market coming now. Starting to look better compared to Apples itunes.

YouTube - ‪A New Android Market for Phones‬‏

[jmvdesign]

I didn't really think the lack of Flash on the IOS's was a big deal until I took an Ipad 1 for a business trip thinking it would be a good alternative device to carry along rather than laptop. I started getting frustrated immediately having to deal with Itunes uploading files including the PITA avi conversions for my movies I wanted to watch. Nonetheless, the biggest deal breaker for me to never ever buy an IOS product was trying to access CBC, TSN, and Global BC Newscast videos to catch some Canucks games during the Stanley Cup Finals but only to be relinked to Steve Jobs' bullshit explanation as to why they'll never adopt Flash. Sad to say I did miss games 1-5 during my trip and only caught the highlights on the Canucks website and YouTube app.

[ddr]

whatsapp is NOT reliable! encrypted or not, there has been instances where the message is received a whole day after. it's not like they advertise downed servers to let you know ...

ppl also don't take it as seriously as bbm. on a berry, users will choose to respond to the same person on bbm more and also quicker for some reason. on an iphone, users will also respond to a txt more and also quicker than whatsapp.

[gars]

Originally Posted by jmvdesign

I didn't really think the lack of Flash on the IOS's was a big deal until I took an Ipad 1 for a business trip thinking it would be a good alternative device to carry along rather than laptop. I started getting frustrated immediately having to deal with Itunes uploading files including the PITA avi conversions for my movies I wanted to watch. Nonetheless, the biggest deal breaker for me to never ever buy an IOS product was trying to access CBC, TSN, and Global BC Newscast videos to catch some Canucks games during the Stanley Cup Finals but only to be relinked to Steve Jobs' bullshit explanation as to why they'll never adopt Flash. Sad to say I did miss games 1-5 during my trip and only caught the highlights on the Canucks website and YouTube app.

ya, iPads provide a very limited web-surfing function. your best bet next time is to get the justin.tv app.

[BillyBishop]

Originally Posted by gars

ya, iPads provide a very limited web-surfing function. your best bet next time is to get the justin.tv app.

just got the app... there's no iPad version? just the 2x magnification of the iPhone version

[jmvdesign]

HTC tells Apple to try competing, rather than suing

By Terrence O'Brien posted Jul 12th 2011 4:21PM
Apple vs HTCApple has proven, time and time again, that it is not shy about dragging its competitors before the ITC over patent disputes. And, while its fellow smartphone makers have never held back from defending themselves, HTC's general counsel Grace Lei had some particularly pointed words for Jobs and co. regarding Cupertino's latest volley of suits. In a statement Lei said that, "HTC is disappointed at Apple's constant attempts at litigations instead of competing fairly in the market." This is the second time Apple has attempted to block the import of devices from the Taiwanese manufacturer, and the purveyors of all things i are also currently on the offensive against Samsung, GetJar, and Amazon in patent and trademark disputes. At this rate the company is probably spending almost as much on legal fees as it is on the engineers and designers tasked with whipping up its next generation of mobile products.

HTC tells Apple to try competing, rather than suing -- Engadget

[dangonay]

And last year HTC asked the ITC to block shipments of iPads, iPhones and iPods as well.

Regardless, the source article for this story (which is not Engadget, BTW) can't even get their facts straight. They even mentioned Apple and Nokia were suing each other when they already settled last month. Don't know how anyone can take a news source seriously when they missed that huge mistake.

HTC was previously being sued by Microsoft over patents in Android that are owned by MS. They settled and now MS gets a royalty on every Android phone HTC sells.

Some analysts are saying the MS settlement might help HTC win its case with Apple if the licensed patents from MS are "similar" to ones Apple is suing for. Others say that because HTC has the weakest patent portfolio of handset makers that it's open to such lawsuits.

[dangonay]

HTC found to have infringed on two Apple patents.

Apple Wins Trade Agency Ruling That HTC Infringes 2 Patents - Businessweek
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[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dangonay

HTC found to have infringed on two Apple patents.

Apple Wins Trade Agency Ruling That HTC Infringes 2 Patents - Businessweek
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Out of the 10 complaints they filed, these were the two:

"system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer"
"real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data"

THOSE FUCKING COPYCATS!!!!!!!! HOW DARE THEY?

BTW they still have to be finalized by a panel. And since they are so obscure and non-specific, there's a good chance it won't go through. Guess we'll have to wait and see! Makes me wonder what the other EIGHT were that were considered even more superfluous than these two

[dangonay]

^ Obscure and non-specific? Did you arrive at that conclusion by reading the title of the patent without reading the 100+ pages in the patent description (patent itself and all supporting documents)?
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[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dangonay

^ Obscure and non-specific? Did you arrive at that conclusion by reading the title of the patent without reading the 100+ pages in the patent description (patent itself and all supporting documents)?
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hundreds of pages? you can read the patents right here and here.

They basically say they own the patents for smartphones entirely. One of them is a bit more specific though (where it automatically highlight things like phone numbers and emails in text, and makes them into active links).

Apple is suing everyone who makes a smartphone with these patents, hoping they stick, so they can eventually go for Google directly. Since Android phones are eating up their market share, this is how they are fighting back.

But in the end, who really cares? Just get the phone you like.

[Ronin]

...what the fuck?

"real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data"

So basically data on your phone?

[Sir_Loin]

Apple - "If you can't beat them, sue them."

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

hundreds of pages?

Did you even bother to expand the citations and read those too? My guess is no. You know, they put those in for a reason.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

But in the end, who really cares? Just get the phone you like.

Seems like you really care given the nature of your responses in any Apple related thread. Most people say something like "I don't like this feature on an iPhone" while you respond with something like "iDevice is a fucking god damned POS and anyone who buys it must be an idiot".

What did Apple ever do to you when you where a child to cause the mere mention of their name or products to evoke so much anger?

Originally Posted by Ronin

...what the fuck?

"real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data"

So basically data on your phone?

The other patents referenced in Apple's patent (direct quotes of their titles).

• Method for asynchronous application communication by Motorola Inc.
• Method of communications between and within virtual radio interface standard layers by Motorola Inc.
• Virtual data source for a radio transceiver by Motorola Inc.
• Method and apparatus for selecting between a plurality of communication paths by Motorola Inc.
• Modem management techniques by US Robotics.
• Voice, data and facsimile modem with modified ringback answering by Zoom Technologies Inc.
• System and method for managing devices on multiple digital signal processors by several individuals.
• System and method for efficiently loading and removing selected functions on digital signal processors without interrupting execution of other functions on the digital signal processors by IBM.
• Personal computer with generalized data streaming apparatus for multimedia devices by IBM.

I especially like the one entitled "Modern Management Techniques" by US Robotics. You can scan this one at this link. You migh be surprised what they are actually talking about.

This is how all patents are listed. The title is always vague and you have to read the entire patent description including the citations.



I'm currently filing a patent of my own on a project I've been working on for several years now. My title is "System for determinng crankshaft and camshaft position within an engine". There are several hundred existing patents for crankshaft/camshaft sensors, and they have a wide range of titles but they bascially all say the same thing. One interesting thing I found is that half of them seem to be owned by Robert Bosch, but that's a whole other topic.

Someone might wonder how I could apply for a patent to determine engine position when there are so many already out there. It's simple - my system uses a different technique from all the others, just as they are different from each other.

The worst part of my application is the amount of reading I had to do. I have literally read thousands and thousands of pages of patents to make sure my idea hasn't already been done before. It's not enough to read the titles as they don't give an indication of what the patent is really about. I had to read the entire patent. Luckily, this type of sensor is not that complicated and most patents were only a few pages long. And many of them cross-referenced the same citations, so I often found that I had already read a citation before looking at a new patent. Still, there was an enormous amount of material to read.


Now if I, as an individual, can take the time to study what's already out there in terms of patents to see if my idea infringes on anyone else's, then why can't a company like HTC do the same?

This is why I have zero sympathy for someone who gets sued for infringing on another patent. They should be able to afford to have a whole department of people who do nothing but compare their own technology with others to make sure they're not infringing on anything.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by illapeeno

Apple - "If you can't beat them, sue them."

HTC - "If you can't develop your own technology, just steal from Microsoft and Apple."

[SkinnyPupp]

Please tell me you're trolling, just like you were when you said nobody uses whatsapp. You aren't really this stupid, right?

right?

If so, I am not going to waste my time with a response. The fail button is sufficient.

[dangonay]

Not trolling at all. Perhaps you're the one who's really "that stupid".

BTW, do you have any patents? You ever applied for any? Ever invested 10's of thousands of your own money to try and get a patent? Do you know anything of the process at?
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[Sir_Loin]

ITC JUDGES RELEASES INITIAL DETERMINATION IN APPLE VS. HTC CASE
Taoyuan, Taiwan–July 16, 2011 – HTC received notice of the ITC judge’s initial determination in the Apple vs. HTC case, ITC No. 337-TA-710. Apple originally asserted 10 of its patents against HTC in March 2010, and the judge ruled today that HTC infringed on 2 patents. HTC does not yet have access to the judge’s full opinion and analysis to determine the details of his findings.

“We are highly confident we have a strong case for the ITC appeals process and are fully prepared to defend ourselves using all means possible,” said Grace Lei, General Counsel of HTC. “We strongly believe we have alternate solutions in place for the issues raised by Apple. We look forward to resolving this case, so we can continue creating the most innovative mobile experiences for consumers.”

The ITC’s Staff Attorney independently studied the facts and argued at trial that HTC does not violate any of the 10 Apple patents.

The ITC has already ruled that Apple is infringing the patents of HTC’s subsidiary S3 Graphics as part of ITC Investigation No. 337-TA-724. HTC announced its acquisition of S3Graphics on July 6, 2011.

HTC is a leading innovator of smartphones that has developed a strong customer brand, unique user experience and differentiated smartphone portfolio.

Everyone copies each other.

[dangonay]

^ Of course everyone copies ideas from each other at some point. Not just in the computer/tech world but in every industry.

And everyone sues each other as well. What's funny is that nobody pays attention to the umpteen tech lawsuits currently on-going and only seem to care about ones involving Apple.

The best quote from HTC:

“We strongly believe we have alternate solutions in place for the issues raised by Apple. We look forward to resolving this case, so we can continue creating the most innovative mobile experiences for consumers.”

"alternate solutions". I bet they either change code in their software or license the patents from Apple.

Considering HTC is already in a licensing agreement to pay Microsoft for every Android phone they sell I'm betting if the panel decides in Apple's favor that they'll negotiate a licensing agreement with Apple.

[dangonay]

Here's some of the patents HTC is suing Apple for using.

• 5,377,354 Method and system for sorting and prioritizing electronic mail messages.
• 6,188,578 Integrated circuit package with multiple heat dissipation paths.
• 6,999,800 Method for power management of a smart phone

So I guess HTC should start suing everyone now.

After all, they have patents for power management in a smartphone (everyone uses this), a way to dissipate heat from integrated circuits (that can be applied to every electronic device manufacturer out there) and the biggest one of all: the method to sort and prioritize electronic mail.

Now what was that comment I heard previously about Apple's patents being too "vague"? What could possibly be more vague than a "method to sort e-mail"?


BTW, if you read these patents you'll find that only one was developed by HTC. The other two were invented by someone else, so if HTC is suing Apple then they must have "acquired" ownership of the patents somehow.

[Kamui712]

^ y r u all mad about this ?

[dignatas]

Originally Posted by dangonay

HTC - "If you can't develop your own technology, just steal from Microsoft and Apple."

[SkinnyPupp]

This whole thread has turned into a gong show from trolling (from an Oilers fan no less, anyone surprised?)

Oh well

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by dangonay

Here's some of the patents HTC is suing Apple for using.

• 5,377,354 Method and system for sorting and prioritizing electronic mail messages.
• 6,188,578 Integrated circuit package with multiple heat dissipation paths.
• 6,999,800 Method for power management of a smart phone

So I guess HTC should start suing everyone now.

After all, they have patents for power management in a smartphone (everyone uses this), a way to dissipate heat from integrated circuits (that can be applied to every electronic device manufacturer out there) and the biggest one of all: the method to sort and prioritize electronic mail.

Now what was that comment I heard previously about Apple's patents being too "vague"? What could possibly be more vague than a "method to sort e-mail"?


BTW, if you read these patents you'll find that only one was developed by HTC. The other two were invented by someone else, so if HTC is suing Apple then they must have "acquired" ownership of the patents somehow.

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