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08-03-2011, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin  No. Phones are no longer phones. I guarantee you that the majority of people that buy smartphones now aren't buying them to make phone calls and if they are, phone call quality is not at the top of their priorities. All my phone calls are about a minute long, mostly when I need to reach someone right that minute. | Ok, so you're saying that if you had only 2 options available to you,
a nokia phone that didnt have all the bells and whistles but still served its purpose as a phone, and an iphone that could hardly make calls but had good market support, you'd spend all your money on the iphone?
Me personally, i like that my phone can be changed to however I want it, but its still a phone. I need to be able to hear the person on the other line clearly in busy places and vice versa
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08-03-2011, 12:07 AM
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#52 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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Originally Posted by Ronin No. Phones are no longer phones. I guarantee you that the majority of people that buy smartphones now aren't buying them to make phone calls and if they are, phone call quality is not at the top of their priorities. All my phone calls are about a minute long, mostly when I need to reach someone right that minute. Otherwise, text, Whatsapp, Twitter, Facebook, etc are more convenient. Find me a commercial on TV now that boasts good call quality that's from a phone maker rather than a carrier. Why do you think there's talk of "minutes" being dropped altogether and carriers just offering data instead? Making an actual call is just part of what a phone does now and it isn't even the most important part anymore. Look at all the recent updates to smartphone OSes...how many of the updated features are for calls?
It's an afterthought because as long as it gets through and you can ask "Hey, where are you?" and you can hear your friend say "At Starbucks in the back table.", that's just good enough. I don't need to hear them like they're standing next to me. Why on earth does call clarity matter now?
The OS is all that matters now as hardware is either proprietary (Apple) or mostly standardized (Android) and if Nokia refuses to adopt Android as their system, they're going to continue to fall in market share. Purchasing anything but an iPhone or an Android phone these days is just spending money on inferior technology.
Right...so the OS is terrible. That's like saying "Oh, my car has 800HP but the steering wheel is a donut and I have to sit on a pile of rocks instead of a Recaro. WHAT? Of course you can't replace the donut or the rocks with stuff that actually works." Awful OS = useless phone.
Also, the majority of Nokia's market share is from the free bullshit entry level phones carriers give away as a signing bonus, I'm sure.
Trying to defend Nokia is just going down with a sinking ship. They fell from 38% to 15% in a year while Apple and Samsung passed into 1st and 2nd. I'm sure HTC isn't far behind. | I wish I could fail this post because it is soooo far from the truth. You are making such a generalization.
I use my phone as a phone all the time. Same goes for a lot of my friends and co-workers. Call quality and clarity is a BIG DEAL for most people I know. It might not for you, but that is a pretty bold and general statement to make.
I'm moving to Toronto in September and while I will use Skype and Facebook etc. I will still be using my phone a lot to talk to some friends and my parents. Even right now I would say that I use my phone for around 1 hour a day to talk to friends, family etc.
Actually, a lot of my friends actually don't use Facebook much more than once a week and I don't have a single close friend on Twitter. And we are all in our late twenties so we aren't in a past generation or anything, we just prefer verbal communication, but use our phones for web browsing, games, photos etc.
You can't just think that what you and your friends use your phones for is what everyone uses their phones for.
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08-03-2011, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by !Yaminashi Ok, so you're saying that if you had only 2 options available to you,
a nokia phone that didnt have all the bells and whistles but still served its purpose as a phone, and an iphone that could hardly make calls but had good market support, you'd spend all your money on the iphone?
Me personally, i like that my phone can be changed to however I want it, but its still a phone. I need to be able to hear the person on the other line clearly in busy places and vice versa | Absolutely. Phone calls are an afterthought. I use my phone 80% of the time for texts, Twitter and internet.
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08-03-2011, 12:36 AM
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#54 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Ronin Absolutely. Phone calls are an afterthought. ---> I <--- use my phone 80% of the time for texts, Twitter and internet. | ...
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08-03-2011, 01:32 AM
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#55 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
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Originally Posted by Ronin So the Nokia is not the best phone available then... | none of what we discussed in the latter was about being the best phone
it was about the state of the corporation (like ive said you're bringing in 2 different arguments) Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin Absolutely. Phone calls are an afterthought. I use my phone 80% of the time for texts, Twitter and internet. | all of which Nok handles admirably and if its not to your level of expectations there are better performing apps available (apps which you use on your iphone/android instead of the built-in ones like whatsapp/foursquare etc)
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08-03-2011, 01:33 AM
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#56 | | ...in the world.
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What's your point? He asked me which one I would choose.
What I can't believe is you guys think the variation in call quality between a Nokia and any other phone is big enough to make a difference. Not to mention that when data plans replace minutes altogether this will be pretty much a moot point. I don't think I've ever noticed the difference in call quality between phones. A phone call is a phone call is a phone call. Call quality isn't a selling point anymore. I can still make a phone call...but I'd like to see how many iOS5 or Android features are available on Symbian.
I'm also in my late 20s but I'm an early adopter sort and so is basically everyone I know since social media is our thing. I guess I just hang in a more tech savvy crowd? I'm almost sure group texting programs (Whatsapp, BBM...soon to be whatever iOS has...) and Twitter make up a good amount of our communication when we're not face-to-face.
I'll tell you what...at the next REVscene meet, we'll make phone calls on your Nokia and my iPhone and we'll see if we can tell the difference.
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08-03-2011, 05:23 AM
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#57 | | I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant!
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Originally Posted by Ronin What's your point? He asked me which one I would choose. | what? you're the one who started the whole thing... "Your friend has a real phone and not one that runs Symbian." Quote: |
What I can't believe is you guys think the variation in call quality between a Nokia and any other phone is big enough to make a difference. Not to mention that when data plans replace minutes altogether this will be pretty much a moot point. I don't think I've ever noticed the difference in call quality between phones. A phone call is a phone call is a phone call. Call quality isn't a selling point anymore.
| Call quality isn't on top of my list of concerns but it is one of the OPs (winson604) that's why i brought up Nok since most of his conditions are that which nok meets/excels @ (battery, reception, not big, touch, email) and since most phones do touch/email relatively the same i targeted the "excels @" Quote: |
I can still make a phone call...but I'd like to see how many iOS5 or Android features are available on Symbian.
| Sym still has features ios doesn't have and i think Android (not too certain how true that is after the last Android update though) Quote: |
I'm also in my late 20s but I'm an early adopter sort and so is basically everyone I know since social media is our thing. I guess I just hang in a more tech savvy crowd? I'm almost sure group texting programs (Whatsapp, BBM...soon to be whatever iOS has...) and Twitter make up a good amount of our communication when we're not face-to-face.
| i dont think this is directed @ our convo but rather one of the other guys however i'll say we're the same age group/crowd and Sym has those same apps available on Nok phones (so symbian isn't missing out/lacking there)
Sym really doesn't match the stereotype americans have of it and those that hold the belief are usually just uninformed/haven't picked up a Nok since the N97 days if @ all
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08-03-2011, 05:31 AM
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I guess I didn't quote for clarity but yes, the above was not in regard to the conversation between me and you but for the guy that wanted to clearly point out that my statement was all about me...when I was asked what I would choose between two options. We posted at about the same time so that why we're confused.
You guys might think this is all me but the market is trending in this direction. There's a reason everything is falling behind iOS and Android.
I imagine that someone had this exact conversation many, many years ago when some naysayers thought that phones were ridiculous and that quality letter service was more important.  | |
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08-03-2011, 08:15 AM
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#59 | | Glorious Gaming PC Master Race
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5% of my usage of a smartphone is actually making calls. the other 95% is gaming, internet, gps, etc.
call quality is the least of my concerns lol | |
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08-03-2011, 10:18 AM
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#60 | | Raping Captured Dolphins since 2002 on EZ board days
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Originally Posted by Ronin Absolutely. Phone calls are an afterthought. I use my phone 80% of the time for texts, Twitter and internet. | Some of us actually use our phones for work and important things. We don't all live on behind the internet and are too shy to hear someone; or afraid to have a real conversation instead using short msn msgs with c00l l33t typing.
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08-03-2011, 10:35 AM
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You may want to just wait another month, as apple's going to be releasing the iPhone 5... sadly no 4G yet. But overall build quality, running smoothness, apple has to be the best of them all. Plus if you get tired of it and want to sell it, you don't end up losing much money at all.
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08-03-2011, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlush Some of us actually use our phones for work and important things. We don't all live on behind the internet and are too shy to hear someone; or afraid to have a real conversation instead using short msn msgs with c00l l33t typing. | I use my phone for work as well. It's not that I don't make phone calls. I don't make a billion of them but I don't think sound or call quality variation between phones is enough to make a difference. The majority of my colleagues and clients communicated through group text programs, Twitter or e-mail. It's more convenient, takes less time and doesn't require both people to be available at the exact same time...which we seldom are. Phone calls are more appropriate for something more time sensitive.
Please...I'm a huge spelling and grammar nazi. I don't even miss punctuation when I text let alone use any stupid leet speak. A 3 is not an E.
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08-03-2011, 02:02 PM
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Oh...and live behind the internet? Shy?
My name is ten pixels down.
I may be on the internet but I'm not hiding behind anything.
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08-28-2011, 09:26 PM
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#64 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Originally Posted by parm104 When people contest the Samsung Galaxy S II battery; it's a hit or miss thing. It may be the Bell version or the North American version but my Galaxy S II has be running it's battery life perfectly fine. I get AT LEAST a full day out of it. On a good charge, I'll get most 1.5 days out of it.
Besides, you really only NEED your phone to last you the entire day...You certainly don't want it to die on you during the day but as long as it lasts you up till you go to bed, then it's perfectly fine.
My SG II:  | U have a data plan? I was just wondering if you had your data on or off to get that kind of battery life. I only get about about 8hrs life per day. Have to swap batteries around 6-7pm or hook up my charging unit.
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08-28-2011, 09:40 PM
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#65 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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The call quality of Nokia is unmatched and so are the fit and finish. I just love the way they look and feel. Nokias used to be my workhorse phone of choice but that is when I was using over 3000mins/month, 2000 of them for work. However, their current offerings just don't work for me. =(
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If you don't really want an iphone, then the obvious choice would be any of the new Tegra2 smartphones. I would recommend the SGSII as that is what I use.
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08-29-2011, 10:39 AM
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#66 | | I answer every Emotion with an emoticon
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It all depends on how the phone is being used.. for a business person like Bill Gates, lawyers or something like that go on facebook or play games, they have better things to do, like MAKE money..
For average users, its all about 3rd party support and all the extras that gets us..
There is not "Best" Phone.. everyone's best phone is different and based on their needs.
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08-29-2011, 02:40 PM
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#67 | | Got MOD?
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Originally Posted by parm104 When people contest the Samsung Galaxy S II battery; it's a hit or miss thing. It may be the Bell version or the North American version but my Galaxy S II has be running it's battery life perfectly fine. I get AT LEAST a full day out of it. On a good charge, I'll get most 1.5 days out of it.
Besides, you really only NEED your phone to last you the entire day...You certainly don't want it to die on you during the day but as long as it lasts you up till you go to bed, then it's perfectly fine.
My SG II: | Why does your charge go up in the middle?
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