R32 vs. R33 vs. R34 vs. R35 GTR Race

[JoshuaWong]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

With the right gearing and a good supercharged you can make a lot of power on a k24 or f20b and easily compete with the c32b and other 6 cyl engines, besides, the nsx isn't a straight line car.

Maybe Honda should just hire this guy and buy his designs.
LS7NSX.com Ultimate Hybrid LS7NSX

And with the right gearing and supercharger, you can make ALOT more power on a C32B. The NSX isnt a straight line car, but it was already underpowered, under cylinder to begin with with a V6 not to mention a inline 4 when competitors were using V8 V10 and V12



Might as well put a K20A supercharged in a McLaren F1 to save weight

Originally Posted by bloodmack

Just cause its the fastest doesn't mean its the king.

I.E. I think the best skylines in order are R32, R34, R31, 2000GTR(C10 series), R33, R35 (i know there are others but these are the ones i find that truly define the skyline name)

I find that something that should be king because its influential. 240Z and C10 series were here before the NSX was even made and they're not nearly as "fast" as an NSX or any other 1992 - 2011 JDM machine. And what about the RX7? Rotary engine is still used in RX cars today.

I think instead of using the word king we should use iconic.

Well, the NSX did change the way how supercars were built and humiliated ferrari, I would say its influential enough.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong

And with the right gearing and supercharger, you can make ALOT more power on a C32B. The NSX isnt a straight line car, but it was already underpowered, under cylinder to begin with with a V6 not to mention a inline 4 when competitors were using V8 V10 and V12



Might as well put a K20A supercharged in a McLaren F1 to save weight

Is McLaren a company that focuses on building economy cars and has very practical management that doesn't support racing development, no, actually they're the complete opposite. I guess that's why putting a v12 engine in their supercar makes sense.

The k24 world record civic is hitting 7.17 on a 1/4 mile, find me an NSX that can top that. The c32b is not only not as technically advanced stock, but it hasn't had the massive amount of aftermarket development put into it. The reality is, the 0.6 liters of displacement you gain by choosing a c32b over a stroked k24 really isn't going to compensate for it being a fundamentally inferior engine.

Besides, your missing my original point.
Honda doesn't want to build a v10/v12 or a forced induction v6 that will only ever see a single chassis, it's bad business and that's why the NSX and s2k are dead. An advanced k24, fundamentally similar to the engine at the heart of all Honda models has the potential to have trickle down engineering and will cost less develop; the Honda engineers might actually be able to sell the accounts that concept.

[JoshuaWong]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

Is McLaren a company that focuses on building economy cars and has very practical management that doesn't support racing development, no, actually they're the complete opposite. I guess that's why putting a v12 engine in their supercar makes sense.

When the NSX was built, being economical wasn't part of NSX's purpose, Soichiro Honda wasn't being practical; he just wanted to beat Ferrari, and at the time he supported racing so much he even said without racing there is no Honda...

If being practical, economical means throwing a inline 4 into their greatest car, they might as well not build one. Why else Honda bothered with a V10 from scrap or the 3.4L V8 for the HSV-010.

Your right about the bad business case though, Japanese company building one in general was/is bad business. They never make any money LF-A, NSX and the technology don't really trickle down, its all about bragging rights.

When Honda focuses on economy, practicality and forget their roots, they end up with stuff like CR-Z, so please don't touch the S2000 and NSX nameplate when they've actually grow their balls back.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong

When the NSX was built, being economical wasn't part of NSX's purpose, Soichiro Honda wasn't being practical; he just wanted to beat Ferrari, and at the time he supported racing so much he even said without racing there is no Honda...

If being practical, economical means throwing a inline 4 into their greatest car, they might as well not build one. Why else Honda bothered with a V10 from scrap or the 3.4L V8 for the HSV-010.

Your right about the bad business case though, Japanese company building one in general was/is bad business. They never make any money LF-A, NSX and the technology don't really trickle down, its all about bragging rights.

When Honda focuses on economy, practicality and forget their roots, they end up with stuff like CR-Z, so please don't touch the S2000 and NSX nameplate when they've actually grow their balls back.

I'll agree with you on this, it's sad the direction Honda has gone in the last decade. The company Soichiro Honda created is gone, and it's not coming back any time soon unless it makes sense to share holders.

Your still forgetting that the ITR, S2000, S800, CRX, 4ws Prelude and some group B rally supercars are all legends powered by 4 cylinder engines. It's not a sacrifice, it's just going against the grain of conventional race design, I think Soichiro would appreciate that.

[JoshuaWong]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

I'll agree with you on this, it's sad the direction Honda has gone in the last decade. The company Soichiro Honda created is gone, and it's not coming back any time soon unless it makes sense to share holders.

Your still forgetting that the ITR, S2000, S800, CRX, 4ws Prelude and some group B rally supercars are all legends powered by 4 cylinder engines. It's not a sacrifice, it's just going against the grain of conventional race design, I think Soichiro would appreciate that.

I remember joking to a friend at least 5 years ago that Honda's new corporate strategy was being Toyota; making boring appliances for the sake of making money. Sadly, its coming true. Ironic Toyota is now trying to build sports car, beginning with the LF-A, IS-F, and FT-86. Lets hope Honda make enough money soon and decide they need their sporting heritage back. Seriously doubt it though.

Props to Nissan for sticking with the Z and GT-R even through all the economic hardship. I hope they succeed. They deserve to.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong

I remember joking to a friend at least 5 years ago that Honda's new corporate strategy was being Toyota; making boring appliances for the sake of making money. Sadly, its coming true. Ironic Toyota is now trying to build sports car, beginning with the LF-A, IS-F, and FT-86. Lets hope Honda make enough money soon and decide they need their sporting heritage back. Seriously doubt it though.

Props to Nissan for sticking with the Z and GT-R even through all the economic hardship. I hope they succeed. They deserve to.

One day we'll all be telling our kids about the glory days of imports, at least we experienced it while we had the chance

Hybrids and eventually full electric are the future, which is ultimately a good thing.

[Jobo]

...What about the Hakosuka?

[jungle168]

Does anybody know why they stopped making Best Motoring International videos? Are they still dong Option at all?

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by bloodmack

RB25 + R32 = winning. R34/33 is sexy but too heavy R35.. too many computers.. not a real skyline.

no one said the R35 is a skyline...

[death_blossom]

Originally Posted by jungle168

Does anybody know why they stopped making Best Motoring International videos? Are they still dong Option at all?

Best Motoring International (produced by zig zag videos) stopped making their translated videos like 3-4 years ago because too many ppl were just torrenting them. they moved to distributing smaller clips through gtchannel.com, which I suspect is owned by them.

in Japan, it was discussed in another thread that they stopped producing Best Motoring videos because of a steady decline in video sales over the years. they stopped a few months ago. but I just looked up Hot Version, and it looks like they are still producing that show.

Video Option is produced by a different company, and I believe they are still in business.


personally, if they could find a way to produce and distribute a (bi)monthly subscription of subtitled Hot Version, unedited from the Japanese source. I would definitely buy into that!

edit: looks like I was wrong about Hot Version, they are still making it!

[white_guilt]

man that r34 revs so hard.