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On a side note: my friend is the former owner of that techart 997, he sold it to buy a 370z. He says the 370 is easier to drive fast around the track due to the oversteer in the porsche when braking. Resulted in better track time for him in the 370z.
That being said, porsche can be very fast around a track but it requires a very skilled driver to take full advantage of this car due to the engine being in the rear. You have to brake earlier into the corner, but you can also get on the gas sooner when exiting a corner.
Your friend is either a shit driver or he fucked up his car with the aftermarket suspension. A 997 should destroy the 370Z on a track.
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Never liked Porsches. Don't like how they drive, look, engineered and how much they cost. However, I think the only Porsche that would cause me to have that WOW moment would be if a 959 drove by.
And which Porsche have you driven? A beat up 914?
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"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."
I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.
"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."
I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.
I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.
Your friend is either a shit driver or he fucked up his car with the aftermarket suspension. A 997 should destroy the 370Z on a track.
That also brings us to another point... I'm sure it will be alot cheaper to make the 370Z faster and better handling with the huge aftermarket options for the Nissan. Can someone say TD06S-20G twin turbo kit!! Posted via RS Mobile
That also brings us to another point... I'm sure it will be alot cheaper to make the 370Z faster and better handling with the huge aftermarket options for the Nissan. Can someone say TD06S-20G twin turbo kit!! Posted via RS Mobile
The problem is, if you had any experience modifying cars with any kind of significance (such as a kit like you mentioned) you'd know that the more you modify lower end cars to try to make them high end cars, the less driveable they become on a daily basis. Massive turbo lag (TD06!! haha...), laughably stiff suspension that destroys you over every bump... not to mention build times and the costs involved. Or saying goodbye to your warranty. I've been there before myself. Sounds like a good idea, requires passion in your idea to actually see it through with all the sacrifices you end up making.
You're paying for factory engineered from the getgo combination of everyday livability and performance combined when you buy a Porsche -- it's freaking fast the way it is and it's super comfy and quiet too.
Anyone can modify any car to be fast. You can buy a 1988 Ford Festiva for $200 and put a Taurus SHO engine in the back seat and beat a significant amount of cars around a track.
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I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.
I my 10+ years on this site, this is the single most insightful post I have seen. ( car related)
I love the hell out of my Porsche and could care less what someone else thinks of my enjoyment.
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You used anecdotal evidence to argue your point and you have the audacity to claim my statement is ignorant?
If your friend had a techart 997 it is likely it was modified for style rather than performance. Aftermarket suspensions often make Porsches handle worse. It is easy to make a car look more aggressive or ride firmer. Porsche engineers spend 1000s of hours on the track and computer simulation models fine tuning the suspension for the chassis to give it the right handling balance.
A 370z is not in the same handling league as a 911. Never has been. Never will be.
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"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."
I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.
Last I checked this was a car enthusiast site and if you're a poseur hanging out here, then expect to be called out on it. You can't substantiate any of your arguments about why Porsches are bad consequently your opinions are worthless.
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I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.
It's fun to debate the merits of different cars. Most of the younger generation that are just getting their driver's licenses are totally ignorant about what makes a car truly good. They fall for the marketing crap which tells them, that a car is great because it's a perfect appliance which have 5 iPod docks and can integrate google maps. That's bullshit. A great car is where your ass sits as low as possible to the road. A car where the steering and gearbox communicates mechanically to you and you can feel what every tire is doing. Where you can affect the balance of the car through minute adjustments of throttle and brakes. Where the engine isn't afraid to wail it's sonorous cylinder melody.
A shit car removes every aspect of driving involvement where there is no joy left from the machine because mfg tolerances are so loose that a layer of numbness is designed in so you don't feel how crappy the components and materials used to make the machine really are.
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LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.
You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.
When you've dealt with enough ceo's, actress, directors, top realtors, lawyers, dr's etc you will know they have at least 2-3 cars to be having a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They choose not to drive in with those because they tell me "why would I drive such an attention grabber to a appointment". Those cars to them are meant for leisure for them.
If I was doing some charity work or work function I don't even like to drive the BMW there albeit it only being a 335. I drive my Mini to be low key Posted via RS Mobile
May be I'm just too young or don't work in the business sector.
If I had the money, I could care less if I show up in a Ferrari F430 or a Chrysler 300 at an appointment. If it's a nice sunny day and want to enjoy my time getting from point A to B why should I care what others think? Are you going to stop doing business with me if I decide to bring a flashy exotic car? Besides, it's not like the appointment is going take place inside your car. No one's probably even gonna see you getting out of your car so stop thinking so much about perception or impression if it's not an interview.
I agree with your example on the charity event though.
The problem is, if you had any experience modifying cars with any kind of significance (such as a kit like you mentioned) you'd know that the more you modify lower end cars to try to make them high end cars, the less driveable they become on a daily basis. Massive turbo lag (TD06!! haha...), laughably stiff suspension that destroys you over every bump... not to mention build times and the costs involved. Or saying goodbye to your warranty. I've been there before myself. Sounds like a good idea, requires passion in your idea to actually see it through with all the sacrifices you end up making.
You're paying for factory engineered from the getgo combination of everyday livability and performance combined when you buy a Porsche -- it's freaking fast the way it is and it's super comfy and quiet too.
Anyone can modify any car to be fast. You can buy a 1988 Ford Festiva for $200 and put a Taurus SHO engine in the back seat and beat a significant amount of cars around a track.
I'm not talking about a ecobox modded to the extreme. I was talking about a pretty good modern day sports car (370Z) that is pretty fast, and handles pretty darn good and taking it up a notch. As for daily drivability I'm sure paying for adjustable aftermarket suspension , and a good controllable ecu system will make it a joy to drive as a DD and tuned up it will be just as fun on the tracks. I'm sure there is a few good tuner places around town that can take care of everything for you too! From parts, installation, warranty, maintenance... Still be cheaper then owning the Porsche. Posted via RS Mobile
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but you're still going to be sacrificing a lot of ride quality and daily driveability of the 370Z.
reading this thread was somewhat interesting in the first two pages. now my head just hurts.
I heart Porsches, and you can't take that away from me. I remember as a kid in 1988-89 where I would egg my dad on to drive his 944turbo to 250kph and beyond lol! he told me a few kill stories back then on how he smoked a few 5.0L Mustangs in that car. pretty sweet in my opinion.
LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.
You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.
The 370Z can't take on a Cayman S, it will hardly be able to take on a 911.
Your friend's Techart 997 is also no longer factory spec, so who knows if there was a decrease in performance because of it. Even an average driver should be able to get more performance out of a 911 than a 370.
LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.
You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.
I don't think your friend is a crappy driver, but was he just afraid to take the car to it's limits? Perhaps some formal lessons (I don't mean that as a dig, but after taking some real driving courses, it's an eye-opener) would have done your friend better than to trade in his P-car for the 370Z.
That being said, if you aren't comfortable taking the 911 to where it can (I certainly cannot), then I won't admonish him for stepping down into a easier car to drive...hell, I drive a FF car and when I pass P-cars @ Mission, I know it's not because I'm a better driver, but others haven't learned to handle the 911 yet. The good 911 drivers, all I see are their tail lights.
TBH, this thread proves that Porsches still garner attention...a bunch of dudes on a forum are having an argument about it.
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