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Except this, since you need hard evidence for any charge to stick. In many cases where an officer saw the illegal actions, the courts would typically side with the police. It's the word of the police against the accused, and the police will win that battle. But... there is a reason why the frenchie cochon focussed on the fact the crown has no hard evidence outside of witnesses. Unless the crown decides to put a case together based on the character of the witnesses versus the accused; it's not likely to go anywhere. They would have to prove character, then go ahead and prove the witnesses can visualize speed.
For the record, I don't have cable nor do I watch tv. But I was going to be a lawyer at one time...
Regardless of what, justice? Come on now! Even you, who is often blinded by your own ego can see that justice is more important than your hatred for some rich asians. Again, show me the radar that says 200kmh. My case would tear the witnesses a new arsehole by proving that they don't know the difference between a car passing at 139kmh (*under the max penalty) , 179kmh, and 209kmh. I guarantee that it's tougher than picking someone's age and weight at the PNE...
Oh yeah, I'm sure people are going to line up so the crown can seize there assets.
I'm Chinese and I have way more respect for a caucasian kid who had to work for the 2nd or 3rd hand car that they purchased with their own money than these 13 Chinese kids combined.
Now I'm just as racist and redneck as anyone, but even I'm shocked at the misdirected hatred for these kids. People want blood, not because of the crime, but because these kids have more than they do.
That's fucked up in so many ways.
Two sides to that token.
Sure, they're wealthy. Sure, we want to be like them.
But unlike them, most people, to a certain extent, have respect for our public roads. You don't see owners of exotics in their late 40's or 50's doing this type of shit now, do you? You don't see enthusiast boards like REVScene arranging these types of high speed "cruises", do you? So why is it acceptable for them to do it? Because they're rich?
When Larry Chu claimed he was doing 200 on a regular basis, the same type of hate was incited towards him; not because his daddy bought him a powder-puff blue S2K, but because he was a retard.
I would assume a big number of people "misdirecting" hate in this incident know first hand just how retarded these spoiled kids can get.
"Not too many of them were in low spirits," Hanney said of the drivers, adding that one asked to have his car, a blue Lamborghini, towed to his home, because he had a trip planned to Los Angeles the next day."
but did he just throw the others under the bus for the better of himself in the situation.. maybe he got nervous with the whole situation and how it could play out, still doesn't mean anyone was going 200km..
So I wonder what people think of these two that just got caught at Cypress? Now we have a police officer witnessing the speeding, a clocked speed on a laser gun (even erring on the low side they were still excessively over the limit), there were two people racing together (so it's an actual street racing incident) and to top it off one guy loses control of his car and the other goes and hides in the bushes to evade capture.
Could they have done anything else to guarantee an attempt by the Crown to try to forfeit their vehicles? Or will the "slippery slope" people still claim there isn't enough evidence? Posted via RS Mobile
So I wonder what people think of these two that just got caught at Cypress? Now we have a police officer witnessing the speeding, a clocked speed on a laser gun (even erring on the low side they were still excessively over the limit), there were two people racing together (so it's an actual street racing incident) and to top it off one guy loses control of his car and the other goes and hides in the bushes to evade capture.
Could they have done anything else to guarantee an attempt by the Crown to try to forfeit their vehicles? Or will the "slippery slope" people still claim there isn't enough evidence? Posted via RS Mobile
As I mentioned earlier, in order for BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take control, there have to be SEVERAL mitigating factors going against the people being charged...
A simple speeding ticket and street racing charge has yet to be enough to get the BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take over. They take over when there is evidence of public safety being compromised...Not just a potential of it being compromised but it ACTUALLY being compromised. Like in the case of the Ferrari and M6, these guys almost hit 3 different pedestrians. That was a mitigating factor. They had 5 factors compiled before they got BC Civil Forfeiture Office to take over and seize the vehicles.
They weren't charged for speeding. The police officer I saw commenting outright said they could only charge them with "driving with undue care and attention". He also stated they could only charge them based on the evidence they had, which is why nobody was charged for speeding or excessive speeding.
I don't see why people are getting upset - the police didn't charge anyone for speeding based on the estimates of another untrained driver, despite the press saying stupid things like "they were going 200 km/h". Posted via RS Mobile
Yeah, so they didn't have much evidence at that point. How can they impound a car for 7 days based on having no evidence of any serious driving offence? Don't get me wrong, I think these guys are all douches, but I shall always stand on the side of justice.
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They weren't charged for speeding. The police officer I saw commenting outright said they could only charge them with "driving with undue care and attention". He also stated they could only charge them based on the evidence they had, which is why nobody was charged for speeding or excessive speeding.
I don't see why people are getting upset - the police didn't charge anyone for speeding based on the estimates of another untrained driver, despite the press saying stupid things like "they were going 200 km/h". Posted via RS Mobile
Yes, and that is the ironic part. What evidence do they have that they were driving with undue care and attention?
A few mysterious calls from untrained individuals who will most likely not testify anyway?
Another ironic part is that these guys apparently have no regard for other people and do whatever they can for their own enjoyment. They "show" no remorse for what they have done and are smiling about the whole situation, as far as we know. Yet, a 16 page thread here with 1000's of views and 100's of posts on giving these guys more fame...
Publicity and fame is still publicity and fame regardless of whether it's negative and/or hating on them. They're in the news all over North America and are probably enjoying there 5 seconds of fame as much as they can.
All you idiots thinking these guys deserve to have their cars impounded and licenses revoked are just as bad as the commie thinking where these folks come from.
I don't think it is correct to broadly tarnish the actions of a few against the entire group, which is what the police have done here. If there are witness reports against a few cars, target those drivers which have been reported. To charge everyone and impound all the vehicles before all the evidence has been collected is an outrage.
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I'm Chinese and I have way more respect for a caucasian kid who had to work for the 2nd or 3rd hand car that they purchased with their own money than these 13 Chinese kids combined.
This is what I'm talking about. In this world, if you're a man you work for your money and you buy your own car.
It shouldn't bother me at all when I see some nice exotic car (or even a beamer) with a N sign on the back, but it does. But hey, I'm happy for them, they got all this money and they don't need to work for it.
Can someone explain how they were able to impound the vehicles if they weren't charged with excessive speeding (40km/h + over)?
Just 200kms on one car? Damn.
Also I wonder what happened to the Ferrari that was forfeited in the article.
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"We don't have police officers who observed the offence, and we don't have lasers and radars that have the speeds," Gaumont said. "We have to really depend on third-party individuals who had called in."
Like I had said several times. Hearsay and untrained witnesses, 3rd-party testimony isn't sufficient for primary evidence. If these guys disputed their charges in a court of law, they would win and be exempt from ALL charges, could possibly even countersue for loss of enjoyment, and degradation of character...
I love how this is the first time they called it a "speeding convoy" rather than street racers.
Can someone explain how they were able to impound the vehicles if they weren't charged with excessive speeding (40km/h + over)?
Just 200kms on one car? Damn.
Also I wonder what happened to the Ferrari that was forfeited in the article.
At the time, RCMP believe/believed that they had reasonable evidence to follow through with the temporary seizure of the vehicles and administration of tickets. They felt that they had enough evidence to say that they were driving without due care and that they were a danger to the public.
As I mentioned, this "reasonable evidence" has turned out to be nothing more than a few eyewitness accounts that have yet to be corroborated. It is possible for the police to use these eyewitnesses as evidence against the group or its members, but as it has been reported, eyewitness stories have not been consistent and therefore making them unusable.
As for the auction, I believe the car is still in possession of the Provincial Government. It takes a LONG time for a car especially to be auctioned off. I'm not exactly sure why but from the time they post it on their website for auctioning, almost 6 months goes by before it actually goes up for auction.
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