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Owner probably just didn't want the hassle of dealing with son/daughter's shit and standing up in court against a government body, it's a common saying "if money can fix the problem it's not a problem"
I wanna know what criminologists and lawyers are saying regarding these cases
The civil forfeiture office is in the process of taking a friend of mine's house for a crime that would have been a fine prior to Harper's gov't taking over. There are a lot of problems with the forfeiture laws, first of which is that they're so new that there hasn't been sufficient time for the courts to argue the fine details of the law, therefore no precedent. Plus the laws are written in such a way that their vagueness adds to their strength. As they're now written, any personal item that you use in the course of committing any crime can be forfeited.
To me, that goes far past the powers that I want my gov't to have.
is there more to this because from what I'm understanding if I'm caught doing 120 on let's say HWY1 and maybe passing a slower car to someone else it can look like racing they can call the cops, they pull me over seize my car and sell it ?
You are misunderstanding.
if that was true they'd be pursuing all 13, not just 5. Those 5 have terrible driving records, so if you have a terribly driving record I would suggest slowing down.
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I know Toronto had something similar but worse few years back when they seized and crushed street racers cars, but they had to cut it out because of the public backlash. I have family over there and they tell me it's still sort of officially in effect but the police don't actually crush the cars anymore.
Myth.
Toronto never crushed any cars, and the original law is still in effect despite several challenges. Hell Onterrible has used their law against police, ambulance and fire vehicles when used off duty for inappropriate purposes - which shows how fair they are being to slow everyone down.
The "crushed cars" warning came from some Toronto dip-shit talking out his ass.
it just doesn't make sense, I mean it's obvious they got money but the cops are still trying to hurt them with monetary punishments... it doesn't make any fckin sense on top of being highly questionable... I'd rather take these and toss'em in jail, guaranteed that will be more of a lesson not to fck around than seizing their car, they're just gonna hit up the dealership the following week and buy something better anyway...
and Toronto did crush a few cars back in the day, I'm there once or twice a year I remember it was on the news when I was there few years back I'll try and find clip online to post... but yea they're not doing it anymore though to my knowledge, the whole thing was just meant to scare the street racers.
edit: here's the clip I remember seeing from YT, found a little quote from a news article which is plain scary, hope this shit doesn't make it's way here..
Under the Civil Remedies Act, you don't have to be convicted, just arrested for an illegal activity. The drivers of the cars in question were cited for speeding and dangerous driving, and now their valuable vehicles are scrap metal.
and interestingly this clip from California I seen not too long ago, think it was actually posted here on RS by someone, very similar situation except they say these cars were built with stolen parts F&F style
So the pussy (Lamborghini owner) decided to sell his car without challenging. Or maybe they had the strongest case against him and his lawyer advised him to deal (what I think is most likely).
One other case was dropped after "new evidence" came up. The other three cases are being disputed. So at least they're challenging it and going to court. This way we'll see what the evidence being used is and if it eventually stands up or not (good for the rest of us).
I'm glad three of them lawyered up. Too many assholes just pay up since they can afford it which does nothing for others that come later in terms of setting any precedent (besides the precedent of being a pussy).
I'm glad three of them lawyered up. Too many assholes just pay up since they can afford it which does nothing for others that come later in terms of setting any precedent (besides the precedent of being a pussy).
I hope you realize that's a double-edged sword. There's assholes that fight the system only to lose and set a stronger precedent.
Right now the law is pretty grey and they are going after the 5 worst offenders, which I feel is very fair. If they lose the law becomes black and white and they can go after any of us that fit the same criteria.
Toronto never crushed any cars, and the original law is still in effect despite several challenges. Hell Onterrible has used their law against police, ambulance and fire vehicles when used off duty for inappropriate purposes - which shows how fair they are being to slow everyone down.
The "crushed cars" warning came from some Toronto dip-shit talking out his ass.
Yes they did, and I have a picture of it somewhere in an old Super Street magazine. They crushed some kid's Honda using a big tractor. They drove right over the car while others looked on.
I don't have time to find the pic now, but I remember it vividly. I'll try to find it when I get home later.
Yes they did, and I have a picture of it somewhere in an old Super Street magazine. They crushed some kid's Honda using a big tractor. They drove right over the car while others looked on.
I don't have time to find the pic now, but I remember it vividly. I'll try to find it when I get home later.
You might want to check some of the dates and facts on this story, not just a simple media story or rants on forums.
There's a reason they crushed these cars a couple years after they were seized. Do your homework and you'll realize why I called them Toronto dip shits talking out their ass - not once has a car been seized and crushed under the new Ontario street racing law, as these were not seized under that law and this event was staged to make a moot point.
Its like saying the new BC excessive speeding law lead to the Ferrari being forfeited last year and now the Lambo - when its a completely different law that being used to seize the cars and they would have been seized without the new BC excessive speeding law, and those crushed cars before the new Ontario stunt driving law.
The gov't took the cars, quoted a law, then crushed them. That's pretty final as far as I'm concerned, thanks to some level of government. Posted via RS Mobile
The gov't took the cars, quoted a law, then crushed them. That's pretty final as far as I'm concerned, thanks to some level of government. Posted via RS Mobile
I definitely am. Semantics are important in both these cases, cause the cars weren't seized for just speeding (like many in BC worry about) or for just being modified (like many in Ontario worried about). Hell they weren't seized for just racing one time either, the BC cars were seized for terrible driving records, and the Ontario cars were seized for criminal activity if I remember correctly (they found stolen stuff on/in the cars, which not surprisingly was not reported in the main stream media).
Not one car has been confiscated or crushed by just the BC excessive speeding or Ontario stunt driving laws, thus most members on here should not fear having their car forfeited if they are caught 40+ kmph over. For those that do have terrible driving records and/or street race I have no pity that other laws will severely punish them and forfeit their cars - these people should learn the hard way.
“There is no evidence that Mr. Wang committed any infraction of any kind. At most there is a circumstantial case that he was part of a group of motorists about whom unidentified callers made generalized complaints.”
The judge said the police and the superintendent were “a little ahead of themselves” in acting on an “untenable foundation.”
This is a good ruling and will hopefully set a precedent for officers who go too far in their interpretation of the law
B.C. Supreme Court Justice Mark McEwan tore a strip off the police and the superintendent for imposing the suspension.
The judge said the police report “does nothing more than recount hearsay complaints” regarding a group of vehicles being driven irresponsibly.
He said there was no specific information tying any vehicle of any specific description or licence number to any specific act of irresponsible driving.
“There is no evidence that Mr. Wang committed any infraction of any kind. At most there is a circumstantial case that he was part of a group of motorists about whom unidentified callers made generalized complaints.”
The judge said the police and the superintendent were “a little ahead of themselves” in acting on an “untenable foundation.”
“The incidents members of the public observed were obviously disturbing. It is understandable that the officer and the members of the public were unimpressed with the circumstances and the attitudes of those suspected of being involved.”
But it is “still the law” that we sanction people for what we can prove they have done, rather than for what we suspect they may be a part of, the judge concluded.
“It was arbitrary and completely unreasonable to issue a prohibition on the level of proof offered by the officer.”
The judge said Yim Kwan Kot, another driver who was suspended and who filed an appeal along with Wang, on the facts appears to be in precisely the same position and is entitled to the same relief.
^ I am relieved the Supreme Court saw this case for what it is....a farce with no facts just hersay. I am not happy those idiots are getting off, but the police have no concrete evidence. I am happy to see the power stay with the courts.
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IBTaylor coming in and telling us we're all wrong, that justice doesn't exist, and it's all an internet ruse to get us to vote Liberal next election because Ontario is the best and we're all street racing stoners who live with our parents.
Wonder if anything else will be overturned, such as their tickets, getting towed, and being impounded.
I don't care whether the owners are filthy rich or not, for justice to be fully served RCMP needs to own up to their mistake and the victims deserve restitution. All the bills involved and even the defamation has a cost and if RCMP is not going to make it right for these people they have wrongfully charged we can't go off and say that justice has been served. At the very least show some accountability and issue a public apology.
P.S. I want to hear what the province bandwagon commenters are saying now along with groups like RTR (resist the race) who spoke out against these drivers.
The kind of comments I'm talking about : The Province
If you think that's justice, then please refrain from responding to any thread where yet another crime goes unpunished cause of our weak justice system. They are not innocent, and this is not justice.
I'm not OK with kids using our highways as race tracks, and not OK with them getting away with it - regardless of how much money they have or what they drive.
I posted several times before that this case will depend on the credibility of the witnesses, and its sad that none were willing to step forward to testify. Without witnesses, there is no case, sadly.
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