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The whole affording bit though, most will never be financially ready to have a kid. You just need to figure out what is a must have and what you will need to forgo. Organized sports may be an important enough factor for you to forgo traveling somewhere far once a year. Your lifestyle may mean you need to spend money on bikes and the transporting devices required so you can have family rides together rather than having a sports car. Extra curricular activities are more important than always having nice/new clothes, instead doing with hand me downs. It's things that we have to think about all the time, and more so now with 2 kids. The whole tip toeing bit is tough, especially if the child is very sensitive (like mine) |
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I was indifferent one way or another, just knew I would be all in one way or another as long as we made the most of whatever choice we made. |
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I became this way after working at a school of autistic children. I cant stand the idea of rolling dice with God. These special needs kids were so sweet, but looking at their parents when they pick up the kids... they just seem like they were defeated or dead inside. They hated their lives and to an extent, im sure they hate their kids too. There's a small chance, but still a chance nevertheless. Why risk it. |
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its a bit different having a special needs program as part of the regular school vs a special needs school. The school i was in had all levels of special needs. From high-functioning kids to the poor kids that basically just screamed for 8h. Guess which one had the parents that looked like they were defeated. These poor poor kids... life's hard enough without the added challenges of autism. |
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I joked with my wife that one of my kid's classmates looks like a miniature 40 year old working 2 jobs to get by. She's perpetually looking bummed and unkempt and her (very rich) parents do nothing but frown much less pay attention to her. |
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With Down syndrome, I thought it can be detected during pregnancy. So it wasn't very much of a concern to me. But I was concerned about the risk of the baby having other developmental issues, and AFAIK, that risk level goes up with age, and really starts shooting up after 35. Prior to having our child, my wife and I also had a mutual understanding/agreement that if there were any serious issues being detected in the fetus, we would abort and terminate the pregnancy, and Down syndrome was precisely the example we used in our discussion. Fortunately, we never had to really make that decision. |
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I'm pretty even keeled and not bothered my much but I'm not sure I can handle that all again on top of risks of birth defects like Down syndrome etc (which we would terminate). |
dont let the nutjob religious folks hear you say that. they dont condone abortion for any reason no matter how logical. |
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Randomly reminds me of back in the way days, Castle Fun Park did not have accessibility of any kind for the disabled because the owners did not want 'those people' in their facility. 'Those people' were an abomination according to them. Given that CFP is in Abby, you get the idea. |
Speaking of down syndrome, didn't you guys notice more of them running around when we were kids? I find it rare nowadays to see someone with downs, I assume because we're aborting them before birth as opposed to back in the day? I had a friend in elementary school named Brian, he had downs. I used to fight other kids that would pick on him, he was a big dumb oaf, easily about a foot taller than all of us and about 20-30lbs heavier. Big silly bastard with bright red hair. I sometimes wonder what ever happened to him. |
I hate people who act like you're some kind of freak if you don't want to have kids. "Oh you'll change your mind" "Who's going to take care of you when you're older?!" "Traveling and all that stuff will get boring eventually" Fuck outta here, don't try to force me into your miserable life of dirty diapers and 4 hours sleeps. I appreciate the posters here who are honest about how hard it is raising a child, especially in a city like Vancouver. We're happy as hell traveling about when we want, digital nomading in the fall and winters in Mexico, sleeping in and doing whatever the fuck we want on weekends. My GF is Filipino so I'm sure if all cards aligned she'd pop out 100 babies, I'm lucky reality also circulates well within her head. The life of freedom is quite alluring to her so we've settled on being DINKs. Considered freezing eggs just in case our mindsets changed, but it bloody hell it's expensive. |
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This increase in costs is delaying their prospects of kids until they can afford it whereas I just grew up in an immigrant family that yolo'd it and never had all this extra stuff. It's been creating interesting convos between my friend where a lot of girls ONLY want their kids growing up with all the luxuries while the guys are indifferent and will only provide if they can afford that extra costs. |
Well, it's easier to have kids later with advances in modern medicine and fertility treatments, but yeah, you kinda need to have the prospects in your early 30s at the latest, because it gets much more complicated after 35. Me and my wife were married for 8 years, together for 11 before the kid came along. We had been married for 6 years before we got serious about the idea. It's a bigger commitment than marriage is. The blessing about my dad just fucking off when I was born is I never had to deal with a messy coparenting situation like some of my friends did. It's really fucked up having parents that hate each other and having to watch it. |
If you're a woman, 35, and single. Damn. That one must hurt. The chances of them finding a husband is definitely diminishing every day. I think most single men who are 35 would probably want to date someone younger. I do know a couple of pretty good-looking girls who are single and are 35+, but the problem with both of them is that they're too picky. And while I do think they are attractive, they definitely don't look like they're 20 anymore. |
What do you guys think are crucial conversations you should have with your partner on kids before getting married? We're entering this new era of having both parents being breadwinners so what's a fair way to split duties without resenting a partner. If one earns more do you guys think he/she should do more? In the past, I noticed a trend where girls I've casually dated suggested they'll only want to marry partners that had the same mindset of raising the kids with extra 3-5+ curriculars, tutors, west side schools, detached homes for extra bedrooms, funding their post-sec, maid/cleaners/consistent babysitters etc. AKA giving my kids the best life, all of this costs an extra $1.2-2.5/month per kid. If they want 2 - 3 kids, you gotta be raking in at least an extra $4-6k/month to afford this lol. I feel like I'm too selfish for myself where if I had that extra $4-6K/month I don't think I'd want to pour it on my kids. But everyone says this will change once you have the kids. Less than 1% of my friends have kids or are engaged, and those who do are fortunate enough be single income parents where the wife raises the kids. So y'all are the only one's with experience on this stuff for the next couple of years. |
all the single ladies i know who are 35+ pretty much arent even looking. I got a few friends in that category and i think they've either 1) given up 2) become so used to being independent, they see it as a chore to get into a relationship. They seem happy enough so i dont even bother hooking them up anymore. Strangely i dont know a lot of single dudes in that category as it seems they've all settled down with somebody good or bad. Quote:
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And Gerbs aren't you also only in your 20s like BAWS? You still got time to go. |
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a friend of mine and his wife are the exact opposite. He wants to split everything down the line 50/50. He'll keep tabs of how much he spent vs how much she spent and demand payback for the difference. Like he bitches about their mortgage and how she doesnt pay her fair share (shes unemployed right now). Also, if he orders her mom some Amazon crap, he expects to be compensated back (even if its like 20-30 bucks). Stuff like this seems super petty to me. I mean shes your wife man. Youre suppose to function as one unit not some fucking business relationship. Even when he takes her car in to get serviced, he wants her to pay for her own. This kinda shit bugs the crap out of me, but thats just how he's raised. ^ Lauren Tom voice of amy wong from futurama. i love her |
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