The funny thing about that proposition, is that it probably cost tens of thousands of taxdollars, for a bunch of people to discuss a solution to car theft, and somehow "take away licence" was the outcome

Canada is the definition of soft

Short of locking up all the car thieves that are caught, what would be a practical and viable approach to reduce car theft?

On an individual level, I'm totally putting an AirTag in each and everyone of my cars. But at the gov policy and police enforcement level, I'm not sure what can be done to effectively and meaningfully reduce car theft. You can have the usual stuff like bait cars, increased priority on car theft crackdown, but the only somewhat meaningful change that I can think of is federal bail reform so that our judicial system is less of a revolving door. But if you were to do that, then we'd need to dramatically increase our dentention / correctional facilities' resources (which I am not necessarily against).

The only upside I can see is they can also be charged for driving without a license the second time around? How big of a fine is that in Ontario?

Feels like the same thing they do with gun control, excellent work again by the GOV!

I knew it! they're hacks and losers.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f4d92ec5_c.jpgScreenshot_20240514_120952_Reddit by N.V.M., on Flickr

I got the email as well, $7.86 is hilarious.

I wonder how much those lawyers at KPMG got paid on this suit.

I can't believe the average price of a new car these days is $68k. What are people thinking? The biggest wealth killer for so many people is their damn car payment. That's over $1,000 a month and then you have to add insurance and gas on top of that. Absolute crazy.

We are looking at used cars and it's more than 68k....

People choose to be poor by driving a car they "cant" afford

I feel like RS is more responsible with money though, so I would just assume you wouldn't be looking at a $68k car if you couldn't afford it.

But having the average price at $68k is wild.

Also, what car are you looking at?

From my understanding, very few people (customers and dealerships) wanted those cheaper new cars in the past.

For customers in that price bracket they either (using a Honda Fit as an example):
- went with a lightly used nicer car for the same price (i.e. purchased used Civic instead of a Fit)
- went with a reliable used nicer car for less money (i.e. purchased a lease-return Civic)
- went with a next-sized model and stretched the loan payment (i.e. financed a Civic instead for nicer amenities with a longer term)
- stretched the budget for a comparable SUV that's slightly more expensive (i.e. went for a HRV instead)
- leased instead of purchased to get a nicer vehicle (i.e. leased a HRV / Civic for not that much more per month)

I also believe dealerships / OEM played a role with this. Dealerships / sales:
- encouraged leases on a more expensive vehicle for a future sale and used vehicle supply (if the customer qualified)
- encouraged leases on a more expensive vehicle because there are better margins for both the store and the salesperson
- sold customers a used vehicle instead because the margins are higher vs. a new cheap car
- needed / wanted to increase the ratio of leases to sales to meet some OEM / auto group objective

I remember conversations with dealerships in the past where stuff like Yaris and Fit just sat and sat and sat without a buyer. Most people who went into the dealership looking for those cars ended up going one model up since it wasn't that much more when leased or financed.

^ that's why i'm in huge ass debt.. my wife is always.. for a bit more we can do this...

it was car
it was furniture
it was dine out
it was diamonds
it was apartment
it was netflix
it was cell phone...

and they are shocked when they get their monthly bill.....

https://driving.ca/column/driving-by...d-suvs-in-2023

Top 3 selling "cars" in Canada are the full size pickups so I assume those are what drive the high average prices. Pretty easy to get into 6 figures with a pickup. The Ram 1500 Tungsten trim starts at $112k.

Man I remember when I was growing up and 40K was what my family considered expensive for a vehicle. Honda Odyssey/Toyota Sienna was way far out of budget. I'm pretty sure the 2015 Honda Civic in my avatar was the most expensive vehicle they've every purchased, considering the other family vehicle was a 2002 Pontiac Montana base model, also purchased brand new.

My dad bought his 2017 F150 XLT (highest level trim minus leather for an XLT) in 2018 for 41k (plus tax)

Brand new, 14 km on it.

instead of an airtag in the car, maybe put the original air tag on the criminal, meaning throw an ankle bracelet for the period they propose instead of a DL ban that would do little...

at least you can track their whereabouts and if you see them out and about in a parking lot or in da streetz at night maybe escalate the punishment?

Make sure you put the air tag in a spot that isn’t easily found.

I’ve been so tempted to get some bicycle and toss an air tag in the frame and just track it to see where it goes once it’s taken lol

People online also open them up and pull the speaker out because if they have a phone that senses the tracking, you can make it beep in order to find it. Can’t do it without a speaker

Ohhh that’s a brilliant idea for the car AirTag. I do have one in every car so it would make sense to take out the speaker.

Criminal ankle bracelet to track convicted auto thieves for 3-5 yrs.

BMW X5 45e, 2021-2023.

Does incentive apply to used plug in?
5k incentive for new plug in should make a nice dent if BMW FS passes that on as a downpayment for the lessor.

Can't the government just turn on the 5G chip we got during the covid vaccine? :pokerface:

I don't think it applies to used cars, and the car falls outside of the rebate price range when new as well.

I am looking at it because of 5% tax only, and a brand new one is something like 120k out the door, so it's a pretty big saving.

My mom is of the mindset that you should buy new cars. I'm the only one in the family that has ever bought used cars, and 3 of them as well, this would be the 4th. She's asking me why I'm not buying new. I'm like.... I can almost squeeze in a whole Rav4 Hybrid in the price difference......

^Richmond Acura has a 2022 45e for $70k - it's got base-spec looks which I've grown to like. I think it's a decent deal.

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/x5/r...201K9&sprx=100
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ibextid=6ojiHh

Completely off topic, and likely irrelevant to the general demographic (I have to ask) but has anyone in recent years gone through the process of a student loan? :pokerface: