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What do you guys define as a high value individual? This term has popped up across social media lately, but ignoring the TikTok/IG brain rot perspective, what does this mean to you guys?
I think it's about being good to yourself first, then being good to the community around you.

Looks different for everyone - for some this is service, for some people this is creating economic opportunity, for others it's leading them into a better experience.

For me, it's been about choosing my battles more wisely and playing a game that has a bit more benefits at the moment. Dropped cycling and picked up running because it's more social, dropped DJing clubs and picked up hosting, dropped car stuff and picked up DJing/travel
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I find it difficult to have this conversation with those amongst my age group as in most cases - it's the opposite. They didn't have a sense of direction in their early 20s, but now they do. Or tbh it's just that life hasn't beaten them up yet or enough, to get to this point of what the fuck. Whereas, the demographic here is older, so well most of you have gotten your 20s and 30s out of the way and life has fucked you up over the years.
Life has a way of beating you up when you least expect it. For example, cancer could strike you anytime and I've seen it happen to people in their 30s. Social media masks most of the daily struggles that people face on a daily basis and unless you come from significant privilege, most do face a daily grind.

I will say that as a parent for almost 10 years, the daily struggles of being a parent are far greater than the struggles of those who are childless. Let that sink in for a moment and re-orient your perspective.

I didn't own a detached house until I was 38. I have never bought a brand new car in my life. I have an empty passport. You're doing fine.

On the other hand, you do have to enjoy the journey and find ways to derive joy during the daily grind when you can. Help your neighbour out with something, or open the door for an elderly person. Smile back at a toddler.

I recently celebrated my 10-year wedding anniversary with my wife. It was very meaningful - more meaningful than I realized. (And I hate to say it, but celebrating 10 years with someone is actually a real achievement these days.) When you invest in relationships with other human beings, your perspective changes as well.
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What do you guys define as a high value individual? This term has popped up across social media lately, but ignoring the TikTok/IG brain rot perspective, what does this mean to you guys?

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I find it difficult to have this conversation with those amongst my age group as in most cases - it's the opposite. They didn't have a sense of direction in their early 20s, but now they do. Or tbh it's just that life hasn't beaten them up yet or enough, to get to this point of what the fuck. Whereas, the demographic here is older, so well most of you have gotten your 20s and 30s out of the way and life has fucked you up over the years.
I've had this conversation countless times over the last couple of years as many friends and acquaintances enter what feels like a quarter-life crisis. It’s fascinating to see how different life has turned out compared to how people expected it to be. Here are some recent events that triggered this conversation.

Financial Strain: Realizing they’ve peaked monetarily but can't afford the travel or hobbies they dreamed of.
Living Situation: Finding themselves still living with their parents by ages 30-32. With no realistic plan to ever leave and grow their character
Relationship: Discovering they're not as desirable for a long-term relationship with their ideal partner and facing the need to compromise on certain "must-have" criteria.
Friendships: They only have HS / college or one group of friends that don't value them and have very limited world outlooks and hobbies.

When it comes to being "high value," I think it largely depends on the perspective you're looking at:

Social Media / TikTok Perspective
IG/TikTok, targets 15-25 year old who are on self-improvement journeys who aren't happy with their life. "high value and happiness" is equated with having:

- $150K+ High income
- Successful social circle
- $500K-1.5+M NW by 30-35
- 10-12% body fat + muscle
- Looks maxing
- Fast cars + Nice watches

It's an intense and often superficial standard in which 95% of people will never obtain and the message seems to resonate that you're a piece of shit if you don't have this.

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This perspective values depth of character over appearance or material success. I think this is very important and is easily lost in the sauce in your 20's.

High Value for Adult Friendships in Your Mid-to-Late 20s
AstulzerRZD adds another layer, noting that value in friendships can vary. For some, it’s about service; for others, it’s creating economic opportunities, or helping others have meaningful experiences.

In my experience, infiltrating friend groups and being someone that others wanna re-invite out and accept is a game of value whether people agree with it or not. On top of basic things like good personality and being funny, providing economic and social opportunities too—like hosting, connecting friends with business referrals, or planning golf/ski events. They help you build a social circle with friends from different aspects of life (close friends, work friends, sports groups, car groups, friends in different city etc.) has been a game-changer for me in terms of finding a sense of belonging and maximizing enjoyment of experiences/life.

A lot of people resist the idea of needing to provide "value" in friendships, saying they only need their close high school or college friends. But, expanding your social circle can make a big difference, helping you find connections in different "pockets" of life.
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take a social media break. start w a couple of days, see if you can get to a couple of weeks. pretty quick you'll figure out that a lot of that anxiety is coming from a non stop barrage of social media presence that only exists to exploit.

mix up the podcasts. dump the doomposters and just toss in some good car content. Chris Harris, EVO is doing one now. Even Fat Marrah has had good guests on lately.

Lastly - it's hard, but don't compare yourself to others. You're leading in the life game right now, it's just the early part of the race. Got a house at your age, you're earning well, and that you're taking care of people. You still make time for yourself and your hobbies. For real man - save some pu$$y for the rest of us.

Really your only bonehead play that I know of is dumping your E36. The only real high value individual is BMW Individual
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I didn't own a detached house until I was 38. I have never bought a brand new car in my life. I have an empty passport. You're doing fine.

On the other hand, you do have to enjoy the journey and find ways to derive joy during the daily grind when you can. Help your neighbour out with something, or open the door for an elderly person. Smile back at a toddler.

I recently celebrated my 10-year wedding anniversary with my wife. It was very meaningful - more meaningful than I realized. (And I hate to say it, but celebrating 10 years with someone is actually a real achievement these days.) When you invest in relationships with other human beings, your perspective changes as well.
Two things I'm trying to start valuing more before I enter 30-32 and kids are in play is finishing out the passport and investing in relationships. I feel like as a first gen Canadian, we're pretty lucky in that economically we're probably top 10 in the world for pay to work life balance.

Life is way more enjoyable with people and your 20's is the best time to explore and develop these friendships and relationships!

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Lastly - it's hard, but don't compare yourself to others. You're leading in the life game right now, it's just the early part of the race. Got a house at your age, you're earning well, and that you're taking care of people. You still make time for yourself and your hobbies. For real man - save some pu$$y for the rest of us.
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I always found it hard to not compare yourself to others to determine if you're living the best life possible. What helped me was I realized that I didn't have to same starting ground as many folks growing up widowed parent, so there's many ways I've never had the opportunities to do a lot of the things I aspired to do by 28. That helped me appreciate everything that I have but my mind always tells myself there's always someone who had it worse that is doing better than you.
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Other people put it better but being high value is tricky for some people because it's about who you are, not what you have, and that's a harder thing to quantify.

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IG/TikTok, targets 15-25 year old who are on self-improvement journeys who aren't happy with their life. "high value and happiness" is equated with having:

- $150K+ High income
- Successful social circle
- $500K-1.5+M NW by 30-35
- 10-12% body fat + muscle
- Looks maxing
- Fast cars + Nice watches

It's an intense and often superficial standard in which 95% of people will never obtain and the message seems to resonate that you're a piece of shit if you don't have this.
On top of that the people pushing that are usually either faking that they have it (either lying about having it, renting things or being in huge debt), or lying about how they got it. A buddy of mine is friends with a bunch of those kinds of people and it's all BS. Nepo babies claiming they're #selfmade and conveniently leaving out the huge leg up and pile of cash their families gave them.
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Any other old timers here reading this and glad as fuck they're not in their 20s in 2024?
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I was half joking about my post where the ballers here on RS are of high value, but I was also half serious.

Look at all the people who regularly show up to the Stock and Noob Meets (except for dark0821 - fuck that guy ) People of good character, are reliable, trustworthy, and have their own stuff together that is unique to them.

I used to think high value meant ballin' outta control like Hehe and his trillions, but I digress. There's some correlation of high value to monetary and material possessions, but ultimately, it boils down to the person and their values etc.

Extreme example, but you have a guy like Badhobz who hates everyone, but if you were in need, he'd take the shirt off his back and offer it to you. And maybe give you a beating with a bucket of KFC.

Edit / Disclaimer: I don't hate on dark0821 - I'm just picking on him because he's always bailing for the meets, but kudos to him for trying to show up.
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Other people put it better but being high value is tricky for some people because it's about who you are, not what you have, and that's a harder thing to quantify.



On top of that the people pushing that are usually either faking that they have it (either lying about having it, renting things or being in huge debt), or lying about how they got it. A buddy of mine is friends with a bunch of those kinds of people and it's all BS. Nepo babies claiming they're #selfmade and conveniently leaving out the huge leg up and pile of cash their families gave them.
I'd say a lot of the people I'm around these days fulfil the above criteria. At least 50% of them have great upbringings, grew up in Fraserview, N.Burnaby / Westwood, given all the opportunities to succeed and they took it and did well.

With that said, I think there's maybe < 1,000 people total in Van that fill the above criteria between 21-35 without inheritance lol.

Almost 95% of the my friends who are homeowners had a $100-300K+ help from their parents or SO parents. Perks of immigrant parents making it

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Imo having your shit together by 20's, your life has never been more comfortable.

You're WFH, Costco delivered to your door step w 20% off uber eats gift card, 12-2PM hits and you're saucing your S2000 to play some sports with your friends.

After work 4-6PM, you take your Type R up Seymour to go ski in the winter, then head back for a dinner/date that requires no in-person approaching because dating apps or friend referral.

Then proceed to sleep in the next day because no commute to work! YOY you're making more than you believe you'd ever make, I can't believe this is life lol
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Then wtf are you all complaining about!? Sounds like a sweet life to me, go shred that pow, go smash that pussy!!

None of those things are exclusive to people living in their 20s. Except maybe to a certain extent (over)use of dating apps. btw dating online isn't new it's probably mainstream for 2 decades now.

But then again I can really do without all the social media-envy, keeping up with the joneses, widespread "mental illness", gamification of dating apps, lack of intimacy, social awkwardness I see of many in Gen Z.

Damn....I'm channelling boomer energy now. Time for my afternoon nap.
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Another thing people should be doing if the daily grind is getting them down is to become active in your community. Setting up activity groups is one way to do it, but there are lots of other established community groups and organizations that cater to every niche out there.

In my 30s, I was a Toastmaster for a few years and it opened up a lot of doors and built my confidence. I have no problems getting up in crowds of hundreds of people and speaking. Speaking to an executive probably makes me more nervous than speaking to strangers.

Nowadays, I'm on a couple advisory committees. I'm also on our strata council. I've grown my network threefold in the past 6-7 years.

Take people out for coffee and give them opportunities to talk about themselves and to share their stories. It goes a long way, gives you perspective, and potentially inspiration to do more in your life.
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Yeah flex culture back then was only limited to your school and your network, now it’s bombarded 24/7 on tiktok/IG.

I miss the days when:
Kids wanted to be something else than a youtuber/content creator.
Nobody trying to get famous shilling yet another generic hotpot/bbt place with the same monotone voice.
There was no rampant cheating using AI in university.
Car forums not facebook groups.
Beetles and rolexes had a good discount.
Craigslist instead of facebook marketplace.

Sigh, time to eat my metamucil and get my steps in.

Jokes aside from my circle, the ones that “made it” locally were in medicine, even then their parents paid their tuition and $ for downpayment. The rest of us had to leave BC to get experience and come back. The ones that did came back was only due to family, it’s too lucrative in the US to come back to Canada.
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Then wtf are you all complaining about!? Sounds like a sweet life to me, go shred that pow, go smash that pussy!!

None of those things are exclusive to people living in their 20s. Except maybe to a certain extent (over)use of dating apps. btw dating online isn't new it's probably mainstream for 2 decades now.

But then again I can really do without all the social media-envy, keeping up with the joneses, widespread "mental illness", gamification of dating apps, lack of intimacy, social awkwardness I see of many in Gen Z.

Damn....I'm channelling boomer energy now. Time for my afternoon nap.
Life's great for the upper percentile, not complaining one bit.


But if you're stuck making $50-60K, gg lol
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Any other old timers here reading this and glad as fuck they're not in their 20s in 2024?
Not to sound morbid but I am shocked the suicide rate hasn't skyrocketed over the past 5 years.
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If I went from my current situation, to being 25 again and in the same situation I was at that age in this current environment, with the knowledge of what it takes to get back to where I am, I’d legit kill myself

The only reason why I can think of it hasn’t blown up is that ignorance is bliss, if you don’t understand what it’s like to be comfortable, you don’t have a reference to your happiness.
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I mean if you include opioid deaths it kinda has.
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So to that point I had a fairly disturbing conversation with a family member who her and her BF have been working in the DTES and SRO’s for the last couple years doing social work.

They said basically prior to Covid, your stereotypical addict was a white male, 30-50, had an accident, had some trauma, got hooked on painkillers and was forced in their addiction to move into harder drugs and ultimately ended up homeless etc.

They said these people actually had “ok” prospects of recovery as they may have had a family before, they knew “good” times when they weren’t in addiction, they knew that if they were to become clean there might be some sort of light at the end of the tunnel.

However, they said now, a very alarming trend among addicts are basically kids, 15-25 years old, who literally do not give a fuck about -anything- they don’t care about dieing, they don’t care about OD’ing, they will tear apart their SRO, they will assault other residents, they will steal from one another etc. and when they try to council these people, they are essentially hopeless. They’ve never had anything but stress and trauma in their lives, they have no reference to “good” times in their lives, they are hopeless.

It was really awful to hear, terrible.
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While some of my friends have gotten amazing self-discovery while living at home, I got a lot of it from moving abroad.

Looking back, if they had paid me the same salary in Vancouver / Seattle / NY, I still would've moved for the exp
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Like badhobz said, celebrate your achievements.
Try not to stress about debt. You’re in your 20s, who doesn’t have debt at that age. Most people aren’t out of debt until they’re 50.
Be grateful your debt a is going towards a home you can call your own and fun toys and experiences. I know people who are in crippling debt due to poor life choices or life handing them a bad hand. Work eat sleep pay debt, well that’s life. There are lots of people working 16 hour days, not spending a dollar on themselves to provide for their family.
I know it’s not super helpful advice but I hope it helps put things in perspective as far as debt goes.
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I think most people here are on to the right track, comparing to others whether it's in a relationship comparing to someone's other partners or just sitting on your own comparing to people around you... or what you see of them anyway which is very limited and designed to show them in the best light... you're basically piecing together a monster in your mind from little factoids and either way it is a quick path to depressionville and poor mental health.

Goodness knows I've got a truckload of failures I can look back on if I wanted to at my age, but as the saying goes man who drives while looking only in rearview mirror crashes into parked E46....... or something like that??

Seriously though, if you ever want to chat you have my number and I'm not currently working, just give me a shout any time day or night if you're feeling poorly or wanna run something by a third party that maybe doesn't know you super well but probably been down a similar road at some point. I can always make time for you sir!
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I'm shocked by the amount of people who are depressed and are on anti-depressants or ADHD med. Feels like 1 in 6 are on anti-depressants and 1 in 4 are on adderall / vvyanse
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I imagine it helps a lot of people get by. Some people are so out they can't even get to the point of seeing a doctor and using medication, and stay stuck for decades
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What do you guys define as a high value individual? This term has popped up across social media lately, but ignoring the TikTok/IG brain rot perspective, what does this mean to you guys?

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I find it difficult to have this conversation with those amongst my age group as in most cases - it's the opposite. They didn't have a sense of direction in their early 20s, but now they do. Or tbh it's just that life hasn't beaten them up yet or enough, to get to this point of what the fuck. Whereas, the demographic here is older, so well most of you have gotten your 20s and 30s out of the way and life has fucked you up over the years.
Try and remove the financial and work portion from your self reflection for some times. I know that's not easy, as so much of our self worth comes from that, but really concentrate.
Do you have people you truly care about, people who truly care about you?
If so (which I know you do) think of the reasons those people care. Do you make them laugh, do you listen to their problems, do you pick them up when they are wasted and can't get a cab?
Try to show yourself the same care and respect as they do. Love yourself for the reasons people celebrate you and celebrate yourself for it as well. Tell people you care about them and see them smile.
At the risk of oversharing, I've been to therapy, I've been depressed, I've been medicated, I've been addicted to plenty of drugs, I've been an alcoholic, but I've always found solace in the real relationships I have with people, and that's not just my partner at the time, but my family and friends and even random people I have had any meaningful interaction with.
Human interaction is the meaning of life.
Honestly, sit down with some friends or a friend and lay it out in person. Catch up, talk about everything good and bad, turn your phone off and just connect. You'll feel refreshed.
I can't stress this enough, therapy can be a lifeline when you need it, but vet your therapists for a real connection. I've had some where I just leave feeling like I went to a psych 104 class and that's an easy call to find someone different.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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What do you guys define as a high value individual?
For me, it's people with compassion and integrity. People who are generous: with their energy and their patience, and make an honest attempt to help others be better off.

Fwiw, it's what I see of you and most other folks on here.

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I find it difficult to have this conversation with those amongst my age group as in most cases - it's the opposite. They didn't have a sense of direction in their early 20s, but now they do. Or tbh it's just that life hasn't beaten them up yet or enough, to get to this point of what the fuck. Whereas, the demographic here is older, so well most of you have gotten your 20s and 30s out of the way and life has fucked you up over the years.
Like Hobz said, the reality is there is no truer success or failure than the one we have in our minds. The most powerful thing we can have, is control over our own goalposts, and not have someone else deciding that for us.

Setting those goalposts in a way that we give ourselves a break on things that are done and decided (which we can't or shouldn't change), but also so that we challenge ourselves to do more and better with things that are or will be upon us.

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While some of my friends have gotten amazing self-discovery while living at home, I got a lot of it from moving abroad.

Looking back, if they had paid me the same salary in Vancouver / Seattle / NY, I still would've moved for the exp
This was huge for me as well: I didn't manage to really grow until I ventured out there to give myself a shake.

@BIC, if you're not currently attached right now, then a huge upside of that would be the ultimate freedom to just pack up and move somewhere totally different .
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At the risk of oversharing, I've been to therapy, I've been depressed, I've been medicated, I've been addicted to plenty of drugs, I've been an alcoholic, but I've always found solace in the real relationships I have with people, and that's not just my partner at the time, but my family and friends and even random people I have had any meaningful interaction with.
Human interaction is the meaning of life.
Honestly, sit down with some friends or a friend and lay it out in person. Catch up, talk about everything good and bad, turn your phone off and just connect. You'll feel refreshed.
I can't stress this enough, therapy can be a lifeline when you need it, but vet your therapists for a real connection. I've had some where I just leave feeling like I went to a psych 104 class and that's an easy call to find someone different.
This.

I think a lot of dudes and more so the older ones in our generation never actively seek help. Whether mental or physical. You’re suppose to do it all and do it without complaining. You never show weakness

Men’s mental health have generally been overlooked for years and years and especially Asian men. Culturally this is frowned upon for Chinese people. You never say you’re mentally degrading.

You can talk to us, but I would suggest you seek professional help and see if they have any answers. Don’t be afraid to look down that path as well. Sometimes it’s medical and you might just have a chemical imbalance.
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