I'd love to learn autobody skills so I can fix my own shit lol. I dunno if I'd actually go to school for it but I certainly have interest in it.

its probably around that, cuz I recall seeing a student loan debt around that amount. But I took the MAX student loan and invested the money into the stock market. :fullofwin:

Nice. 2005 would have been a decent time to get in there with a 0% loan... as long as you were out by 2008. :)

i think when i went to sfu credits were like $133 each or something. so with 120 credits to grad, tuition could be as little as 16k. even now they are $212 so $27560 excluding books, fees, etc..

$133 sounds about right for my era - 1994-1999.

I'm aiming for my kid's RESP to get to around $120-140k as I figure in 12 years that tuition, books, and food will cost a mint. I'm not sure $120k would even be enough to cover housing if she moves away.

UBC Grad in 2010, four year degree, and I think for just tuition it was just under $20,000 for me

edit, I may have been closer to $16k-18k even, I can't fully remember. Definitely under $20k

Yeah UBC for me as well and it was under $25K. I commuted instead of dorm to save money otherwise it wouldve been pricey.

I paid BCIT $38,000 for 4 years in 2020, before grants

How much some of you guys paid for school disgusts me

Hvac school was 7k
Daddy government paid me 8k for completing the program and getting licenced through grants, tax incentives, etc

school is disgusting. its a friggin scam! like the sham wow guy.
https://media.tenor.com/dWyCnAWLzHQA...wow-points.gif

I think CPA program was another $21K

Would you use a doctor that never went to medical school?

Or would you drive on a bridge designed by someone who never went to engineering school?

I wanna say the college was $4k/semester. So $16k for the tech diploma.

I caught the tail end of the tuition freeze, so my Bachelor was about $12K. My Masters was about $15K, but I did that part time in my 30s.

With respect to career changes and layoffs, there's always learning. I left the comforts of the public sector in my mid-30s for the private sector. Did stints in two different industries and grew a lot.

These days, you can't stand still. Always look at opportunities to expand your network. Get involved in stuff outside of work - you never know what opportunities you'll come across. But, remember to celebrate the wins too and document those.

As much as I want to say you don't need post secondary because I never went, I don't recommend it in today's world. I started my career in a time when it was easy to get a job if you know how to use a computer.

Today, if you're trying to get started, you're competing with everyone else with a degree... and everyone else has a degree.

Then if you do manage to get a job, you have to discipline yourself not to spend all your money... then you realize that saving is not enough so you need to teach yourself how to invest/trade. You need multiple income streams these days.

I didn't really stop chasing the career until I figured out how to sell promises on the internet (options contracts). The index funds create wealth but it's the dividend stuff and options trading that provides income.

Keep at it and soon you'll have the lyrics stuck in your head...

And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself, "Well, how did I get here?"

^ good post, i'm on both sides. If you grad from high school and don't get into post secondary, you might gain a lot of experience in those 4 years and work your way up.
Of course you won't be able to do accounting, being a doctor, being an engineer or nursing without but for admin / sales related sure.

Going into trades, being a mechanic, welder, framing... sure...
Going into sales / business analyst (tough maybe). What you do miss is the shit that is thrown at you at university. Dealing with shit group projects, dealing with writing essays, analytical thinking... i think that's really important skill to learn during my education.

There's a lot of IFs. TO succeed without post secondary... sure you can, a lot just has to go your way to succeed. THat's assuming you're a good kid and eager to win.

Props to you. I wish i married young, popped out kids. Would have had a diff life. Thought I was going to be single and emo for life but ended up marrying someone in my 40s. Definitely can't have 3 kids now and have single income paying off a home. I cringe at being in my 60s to pay off my house.

Holy F, spot on with my Ex. Worked in Emergency and bam. Burnt out. She doesn't need the money, but after 5 years.... feels empty. I think she's into education now inside the health care system. Guess all great jobs gets boring after a while.



I now teach at a local school on Sat for international language just to give back (2.5 hr each sat). FML, my paycheck is literally 50 bucks after taxes and deductions (won't evenpay for gas and a happy meal each week) but seeing kids, teaching them is great. My pension will be like $1 a year but whatever. it's good to give back.


this is why mechanics are never good business people, they spend too much money /hours and doesn' tknow what to charge. Good for you being their light house.

University is very different today from what I experienced.

I generally give 2 or 3 guest lectures at one of the bigger schools each year.

Every kid just stares into their laptop. There's zero eye contact and you have no idea what they're actually doing at that moment.

It's worse than doing a zoom meeting and everyone's camera is off and you're just speaking to black boxes on the screen.

ALSO, I didn't really grasp the issues of student immigration and study visas until this past year.

Compared to say 5 years ago, these days 80% of the class looks to be international students, primarily from India in my experience, who appear to have zero interest in anything I was saying.

It should improve in the next few years as the Fed tightened the education and TFW visas.

Dude, you're an Engineering student? UBC?

Back in my day, they were nuts. Knew a few of them. E-Week, lol. I remember the Lady Godiva Ride. Buck naked on a horse........... then the pranks. Hanging Hitler cars off bridges (Golden Gate and Lion's Gate at least twice maybe more). Even stole the Rose Bowl. Those were the days....... Oh, the Rag. funny as hell. That publication was so crude, butt funny as hell. I remember an edition that had a very detailed sex machine. Chick with multiple things attached to her body........

Wouldn't get away with shit like that these days.


EDIT: NVM, just read the last part...............

Can't speak to your ex specifically, but for most it isn't that the job became boring. It's because people fucking suck lol. Rude patients, rude family members, entitlement/abuse of the system, occasionally idiotic/lazy coworkers, poor management etc. It's tiresome and wears on a lot of people very quickly. There's only certain personality types that can handle this environment for years on end let alone their entire career.

were, that was decades ago LOL but ya not rich or a brainiac so it wasn't UBC. I'm not the engineer that was uber smart, more in the critical/pragmatic thinker category

ya my time was very quiet and studying, nothing extra curricular or fun

if you know what discipline you want, i would recommend BCIT and get a 2y tech diploma, and then transfer to get the degree. i felt like i learned a lot more hands on that way. year 1 and 2 i feel like you take a lot of generic science math courses crazy as hell in uni to weed you out but don't give you value (i did 1st semester in uni before and was gruelling/waste of time IMO).

BCIT i was in labs messing with stuff, blowing stuff up (b/c of screwing up :lol )
sure the theory was micky mouse as hell, but as least applicable to the discipline. the math was SO micky mouse though it wasn't funny haha

uni is too woke now... can't be radical without facing taboo shit.

no gender washrooms was the nail in the coffin

"Hello fellow classmate!

Would you like to collaborate with me and them, so we can complete this project?

Thanks Gender-Inclusive Folks!"

Every job suck LOL. My mom (again, different era), spent her career in Emergency Room, and what was funny was how she ran her place.
She would tell the doctors to go F off. If something was not part of her role or treats her like shit, she said "i don't report to you and you can talk to my union". Regardless of where you work, there will always be poor mgmt, lazy workers etc.

My wife is in health care and she there was a rule, if you work pass 1 AM, you have in lieu day which you can take the day off. Back in her days, everyone just sucked it up. 3 funny story -

a) Trainee took next day off, when asked why (cause I'm pretty sure as your leader you didn't have to work till 1 AM cause I went home at 11) "oh, my wifi wasn't stable, so i decided to stay at the hospital till "late", so i deserve a day in lieu"
WTF...
b) Trainee would sit in office from 12:30 AM - 1:00, finishes charting at 1:01 AM and declares she worked past 1 AM and demands day in lieu.
c) Then we have all this EDI - there are so many staff with "i am taking a day off cause of religious holiday blah blah blah".....

Best case scenario yeah, it saves TONS of money, but it also changes the social circle as you have to start fresh meeting new groups when all the group had known each other for 2 yrs. *translate - it was so hard to get laid.

HOW OLD are you???? i read about these stories... of course this was before internet so it was only world of mouth.

I hear you, that's why i tell them rule 1) video on during each zoom then 2) when I was doing in person, rule 1 was to close all laptops and paper only.

One of the profs (at the higher level course) had a rule which was 10% participation. I remembered i told a prof "what's the point of coming to tutorials when there's no reason to come and no participation is required. We can just skip all this, buy 2nd hand exam papers, and ace the test.

SO i think next semester and future on-going (at lesat for his classes / tutorials), there was a 10% attendance / participation.