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ZR1 and Z06 are great all around performance machines with some comfort to match. The Viper is an awesome car for what it is....an old school muscle car with awesome torque. Unfortunately the Viper rides like shit, brakes bad, handles OK (not talking ACR here), but is basically unrefined. So if you like that, good for you!
In a Ferrari, GTR, M cars, AMG cars, you can jump in and drive it at 7/10s no problem, try that in a Viper.
if someone buying a viper and hoping for a refined ride. they must me dumb as fuck.
the viper and corvette are ultimate bang for the buck race vehicles. for 100k you can buy something that would spank the shit out of something twice the price
At least back when it was Mustangs and Civics there was some plausibility that the members could have driven either car.
But the likelihood that anyone arguing here has even sat in a Viper, Ferrari etc.. let alone driven one to be qualified enough to comment on their driving characteristics is pretty damn low.
Look at the Z06 Motor, 6.2L and 505hp, way more efficient than the Viper motor. The Viper motor is old old technology, sure it's got torque, but that's it...it can't rev
Z06 is a 7L small block v8 the viper is a v10, and for those of you who are saying that bmw or whatever european company makes something that big will be more powerful and more fuel efficient. compare the mpgs of a corvette to a porsche, they are pretty damn close
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if someone buying a viper and hoping for a refined ride. they must me dumb as fuck.
the viper and corvette are ultimate bang for the buck race vehicles. for 100k you can buy something that would spank the shit out of something twice the price
Twice the price? What about the GT-R? There have been 2 videos online (1 in russia 1 in dubai) where modded ones beat Veyrons in quarter mile races
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Twice the price? What about the GT-R? There have been 2 videos online (1 in russia 1 in dubai) where modded ones beat Veyrons in quarter mile races
He didn't say they could spank EVERYTHING else. GTR also isn't twice the price. Although if I were him I would have said "the viper, corvette and gtr", as the gtr is also very impressive when modded. A ZR1 with very simple and cheap bolt ons (pulley and tune) will put down 700rwhp and let me tell you, 700rwhp, in just over 3k pounds with that aerodynamics is a pretty healthy package.
Z06 is a 7L small block v8 the viper is a v10, and for those of you who are saying that bmw or whatever european company makes something that big will be more powerful and more fuel efficient. compare the mpgs of a corvette to a porsche, they are pretty damn close
The american car companies until recently (last 2yrs) lagged their European and Japanese in regards to application of new technologies (i.e. direct injection, turbo, etc.).
I love it when guys read magazine stats and quote that the mpg on a corvette is close to a porsche. In real life, there is not comparison. Big V8s get shit gas mileage in city traffic, period. I have a flat 6 and a V10, the flat 6 is at least 50% better in fuel economy.
OK, since we are debating this, take out the Coyote 5.0 V8, which american V8 makes approx. 90-100hp/litre? I can tell you 5 Euro/Jap V8/V10s that deliver 100hp/litre.
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He didn't say they could spank EVERYTHING else. GTR also isn't twice the price. Although if I were him I would have said "the viper, corvette and gtr", as the gtr is also very impressive when modded. A ZR1 with very simple and cheap bolt ons (pulley and tune) will put down 700rwhp and let me tell you, 700rwhp, in just over 3k pounds with that aerodynamics is a pretty healthy package.
tell me how percentage of drivers will know how to handle 700rwhp with 2 wheel drive?
The GTR & PDK 997 turbo both are amazing cars that 90% consumers can enjoy the potential of 500hp. This is what technology is about, usable performance.
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I dunno, my Vette gets about 22mpg in the city when driving 'normal' which spanks anything my 350z would ever get, and on the high way pulls 30mpg. Its not hyrid good, but its not bad.
^ you must be really light on the gas, cause my M5 gets 10-12mpg when my wife drives it lightly in the city. You are telling me a 5.7L or 6.2L motor gets better gas mileage than a 3.5L motor?
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every 3-4 day driving from downtown to bcit to north van annd back need refill. bout70 for full tank.
filled yesturday 94chev for 90bucks. and im light on the gas. gun it once or twice if big long road with no cars arouund. minne is 05 model.
also anyone who says its hard to drive has not driven one before. i daiily drive mine in the summer and bout once a week now. its a easy handeling car wen you know what your doing.
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You are telling me a 5.7L or 6.2L motor gets better gas mileage than a 3.5L motor?
It's absoutely possible. It all depends on weight and gearing...
The vette is lighter and with a more torquey engine it has lower gearing which means the motor spins much slower.
My Ranger is only the 3.0 and it gets the same or worse gas mileage as the 4.0 version because you have to rev the piss out of it to get the bloody thing to move.
^ you must be really light on the gas, cause my M5 gets 10-12mpg when my wife drives it lightly in the city. You are telling me a 5.7L or 6.2L motor gets better gas mileage than a 3.5L motor?
For comparison caddy has 1.2 more liters and a supercharger and still makes more power and gets better mileage despite weighing more. Not to mention if i had to pay the maintanence bill id much rather have the smallblock than a v10.
CTS-V is 6.2L supercharged 550 hp, and 550 ft/lb @4300 lbs: Edmunds observed (mpg) 8.3 worst/18.6 best/13.3 average
M5 5.0 v10 500 hp and 383 ft/lb @4100 lbs: Edmunds observed (mpg) 10 worst/16 best/12 average
A Vette (or any torquey high displacement low geared vehicle) can cruise around town, up and down the highway, and barely ever need to crack 2000 rpm due to torque.
I drove to California down the I5 and up the 101 and averaged 26mpg the entire trip - including driving around San Francisco, all the twisties up the coast, and daily driving for food etc. 29mpg was the average on the I5 only because of driving 85mph which requires 2300rpm or so lol. Lots of guys on the Vette boards have recorded over 30mpg on trips.
Didn't top gear do a segment with an M3 following a Smart Car around a track, the smart car going flat out and the M3 pacing it, and the M3 smoked it for fuel economy. Similar principles.
My commuter is a Tuscon and it costs me way more on gas with its V6 and shit bag torque that down shifts and revs to 5k to go up hills on the highway.
^ dude, you gotta spend less time reading mags and spend more time actually driving the vehicles. To produce 500hp from 2 cylinders or 20 cylinders requires a certain amount of fuel/air mix, period. There is no way in the real world, the CTS-V which weights 200lbs more than an M5 gets better gas mileage, they both suck.
who cares in the end, to me it is not about miles per gallon, it is about smiles per gallon!
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I agree about fuel to make horse power, but there is more to consider when it comes to fuel economy.
Anyways, I couldn't even tell you how much a litre of gas is, because your right, its all about smiles per gallon, and the cost to fill up my 'fun' car, and how often I fill it is irrelevant (other then going under budget by 30% for a road trip to California)
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