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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp  Damn why is fails turned off for this forum? That is some bulllllll shit Ulic |
it's not.
if i locked you in a room that had no windows and you didn't know what season it was, you wouldn't suffer from SAD. so ignorance is bliss... RIGHT? just to make things clear, im correlating it to removing yourself from the environment. (which you have done).
In asia the sun sets by 5pm too. so tell me, what is the difference?
in fact in asia the sun sets by 5pm even in the summer. wouldn't you suffer from SAD even worse there than here?
yeah, the sun might rise earlier there, compared to here (in the winter), but then you're not awake at 5am anyway right?
so what exactly is the difference? you're going to reply that the weather is a lot better. yes it is. the warmth most definitely helps does it not?
so if you remove yourself from the environment, and you're warm (not wrapped up, but the environment is warm, ex. using a heater), are you not essentially doing the same thing that you have done? moving to HK, or being in a room where you cant gauge the outside weather, what exactly is the difference? it's psychologically different. cuz you KNOW. that's the ONLY difference.
as for the weed, like i said, everyone is different. anyone with bad experiences with weed probably was smoking it recreationally and smoked way too much, and/or have general personality tenancies to worry or have anxiety or stress issues.
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Originally Posted by dinosaur I didn't say it would make you DEPRESSED. As you pointed out, I said it is a DEPRESSANT (which it is).
It makes you lethargic and foggy headed....much like SAD. If ya already feel like that, why would you make it worse? |
that is an assumption that you have created out of thin air (unless im wrong, then it means you have smoked the appropriate amount of weed while suffering from SAD, then please tell me your experience in detail).
the lethargic feeling and foggy headedness of SAD is not the same as the effects of smoking weed.
the lethargic feeling you get from marijuana is only a stage of the entire "high" or whatever you want to call it. usually at the very end, and generally from indica strains. and not everyone experiences it (just like not everyone experiences the munchies).
a lot of people actually say they are often more awake, and if they smoke it when they're really tired (like nodding), it often wakes them up and keeps them awake until the lingering "buzz" wears off (which wears off hours later). it most definitely keeps the gears in your brain turning faster than normal. if you consider yourself a thinker, rather than a doer, then you will most definitely feel more awake. if you're the type to just lay in your bed and watch tv, well no shit you're gonna feel tired. you're gonna feel tired if you were laying in your bed watching TV without weed.
the "foggy headedness" you experience from SAD is not the same as the terrible short term memory you have when you're high on weed.
you are assuming it makes it worse.
Cannabis: Potent Anti-depressant In Low Doses, Worsens Depression At High Doses
like i said, i didn't say go smoke a whole joint yourself and throw a pot party to fix your SAD.
everything is done in moderation. a few puffs. or even 1 puff. or half a puff.
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Originally Posted by dinosaur Marijuana slows down the central nervous system. The use of depressants can result in a slowed pulse and breathing, slurred speech, drowsiness, lowered blood pressure, poor concentration, fatigue and confusion, as well as impaired coordination, memory and judgment." ( www.drugfree.org- yes, the is info outside of wikipedia). |
lol c'mon, that's a biased website. that's a total anti drug site.
how about from a less biased site:
Erowid Cannabis (Marijuana) Vault : Effects
POSITIVE
mood lift, euphoria
increased giggling and laughing
relaxation, stress reduction
creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music
increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection
pain relief (headaches, cramps)
reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny
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Originally Posted by dinosaur When was the last time you smoked a joint and felt like you could run a marathon?! Don't tell me that shit makes you happy... |
i know some people that have a few puffs before they workout, and they're fuckin huge guys. i've tried doing this a few times as well. i noticed the pain reduction in my last "few" reps was significant. I could push harder because my pain threshold was higher. im sure there are other members that have smoked a little and worked out. im sure they'll have similar responses.
construction workers are also notorious for smoking weed and working all day. their jobs are fairly physical. you think they'd smoke up and work all day if it made them tired and sad? it doesnt make them happy, but it sure makes the day a helluva lot more interesting.
it doesn't MAKE you HAPPY and giddy, but it most DEFINITELY takes your mind off whatever negative thoughts you have and neutralizes your negative mood to something MORE positive than what it was.
you have the wrong path of thinking. you want to be happy? guess what, we arent designed to be HAPPY all the god damn time. but you can feel OKAY/NORMAL.
if you wanna feel happy go ask your doctor for some serotonin selective re-uptake inhibitors. or go ask him for some extended release dextroamphetamine or any amphetamine variants. or hell, you can even take some benzodiazapines. i guarantee you, you'll feel "happy" after taking the appropriate amount of the above. and yes, those things i listed are not illegal street drugs, in fact they're the purest form of those street drugs you can get, legally.
i just listed an antipsychotic, stimulant and depressant, and they all can make you "happy". im not talking about happy. im talking about distracting your mind from the SAD mood. removing SAD does not equate to being giddy kind of happy.
and you totally got your head over why i even started this.
you're slandering a drug (yes it is, for those of you who consider it just "a plant"), and you've obviously got no, or very little experience with this drug. you are basing everything off your own personal experiences, based off the weed you, or your friends smoked, and you guys probably don't know where it came from, which strain it was, and if you've ever used it, you probably used it for recreational purposes at recreational doses, not medical doses.
you totally avoided my statement on alcohol. well, it's okay, because we all know that is the most true statement in all of this thread. not one person will disagree that alcohol will totally fuck your mood up if you're already sad (and it probably will fuck your mood up even if you're not sad).
now, since you're so against weed for SAD, let me ask you, during these down seasons, do you drink at all? this is a question to anyone that suffers from SAD.
if the answer is yes, then, i ask you... why the fuck are you drinking and slandering weed when alcohol makes things way worse?
it's hypocritical. and there's obviously a bias based not on facts, but personal preference and upbringing to which drug is okay and which is not.
i can guarantee you, that if you're a physically normal, that doesnt suffer from anxiety, low confidence, or any type of social phobia (or any phobia) and you're suffering from SAD. that after having a bit of weed, you'll feel a hell of a lot better than having a few drinks.
I guarantee you sometime this christmas season, you will consume alcohol. you tell me when you're home, buzzed, or still drunk and all wound down from the party you were at, how good do you feel? how good do you feel about yourself and where the world is going? it's a rhetorical question, you don't need to answer.
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Originally Posted by dinosaur And as you said, you don't even suffer with SAD....what makes you think you can give advice as to how to deal with it? |
and you don't have a phd in bio-chemistry, what makes you think you can give advice to as how weed affects the human body?
one doesn't need to be a physics major, to figure out how to throw a basketball through a hoop.
I don't need to be a psychiatrist to tell you that distracting your mind will probably be a good step away from your SAD.
i definitely dont need to suffer from SAD to tell you what psychoactive drugs can distract and put your mind somewhere else, and
alleviate your negative mood associated with SAD.
by the way, im not a pro-legalization of marijuana type, pot culture hippy guy.
but i am very opposed to drug facts that are biased opinionated.
like i said, weed can be a TOOL to distract your mind.
some people play instruments, some play video games. have you thought, maybe with a bit of weed, combined with playing instruments, or whatever your hobbies are, would greatly reduce the effects of SAD? when i said removing yourself from the environment, i didn't just mean physically. mentally too.
why do you think excersize is usually the general prescription for these psychological type of disorders? it removes your mind from the environment. a distraction. that and it generally improves health anyway.
I also know majinhurricane works in a club, he's probably surrounded by alcohol and im not sure if he drinks, but if he does, it most definitely doesnt help, and that taking a few puffs of weed to see how he reacts to it most definitely wont hurt.
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Originally Posted by dhillon09 bury my head in the books, close the blinds before it gets dark and turn on tons of lights so it "feels" like daytime. I get super duper lazy though, everyone does. |
see? is this not another example of what i was getting at?
it obviously works for dhillon, it might not work 100%, but it HELPS. right?
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Originally Posted by fliptuner No issues getting off them after such a short period? I was using an SSRI years ago and it was a struggle to wean myself off. There are times I'd like to try it again but am worried about getting off it. |
don't use SSRI's if you can avoid it. SSRI's should only be used for major depression. it also depends on which SSRI you're using, theres a whole bucket load. some are easier to ween off than others.
doctors only prescribe SSRI's for SAD or other minor depressive disorders because that's what they were taught. there are plenty of alternative medicines/methods to deal with minor depression. SSRI's can cause way worse depression later. plus like you said, you can't just stop taking them. i'm highly against the prescription of SSRI's for first line of defence.
you can look into "5-HTP", it's a precursor to serotonin. it's available in nutrition stores. im sure you'll notice a difference if you take it for a while. but like anything else, take it in moderation, i'd take less than the label says. perhaps every other day.
you can also look into melatonin, and pop it 30minutes before the time you wish to sleep (earlier, so u can wake up earlier and experience more sunlight). but i'd generally avoid melatonin as well unless you're adjusting to another time zone, an insomniac or have trouble sleeping.
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