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I have a family history of male pattern baldness -- It hasn't affected me yet but I've noticed slight thinning in some areas -- with finasteride/propecia it's better to get on it sooner rather than later.
Just wondering -- any of you guys taken it? How did it affect your strength / mood / sex drive / any noticeable side effects like Gyno?
I have a family history of male pattern baldness -- It hasn't affected me yet but I've noticed slight thinning in some areas -- with finasteride/propecia it's better to get on it sooner rather than later.
Just wondering -- any of you guys taken it? How did it affect your strength / mood / sex drive / any noticeable side effects like Gyno?
I wouldn't consider it due to its boner killing side effects. Maybe if you're on TRT or B&C it would be ok, not sure
I noticed some receding hairlines for the past year, and pretty significant hair thinning as well. Started on some finasteride in January and hair got noticeably thicker within 4-6 weeks due to new hair growth (including areas where I was receding).
No loss in muscle bulk, no gyno, no strength changes (still benched 2 plates+25)... Bad boner effects though (but normally only effects <5% of people apparently - I was on the 5%). Anyway, stopped taking it, and hair has progressed back to where I was before I started on finasteride =(
I noticed some receding hairlines for the past year, and pretty significant hair thinning as well. Started on some finasteride in January and hair got noticeably thicker within 4-6 weeks due to new hair growth (including areas where I was receding).
No loss in muscle bulk, no gyno, no strength changes (still benched 2 plates+25)... Bad boner effects though (but normally only effects <5% of people apparently - I was on the 5%). Anyway, stopped taking it, and hair has progressed back to where I was before I started on finasteride =(
Is it really only 5%? I don't know, but people make it seem like it's for pretty much everyone. Also apparently it can be permanent for some which is fucking terrifying
Did you take testosterone while taking finasteride [if you want to say]? If so I guess that doesn't counter the boner problems
Is it really only 5%? I don't know, but people make it seem like it's for pretty much everyone. Also apparently it can be permanent for some which is fucking terrifying
Did you take testosterone while taking finasteride [if you want to say]? If so I guess that doesn't counter the boner problems
I grabbed this info from a medical resource:
Quote:
Originally Posted by www.uptodate.com
Adverse effects — Occasionally, finasteride has deleterious effects on sexual function. These include erectile dysfunction, decreased libido, and ejaculatory dysfunction. A systematic review of nine trials with a total of 3570 patients found an overall absolute increase in sexual dysfunction of 1.5 percent [3]. The risk for sexual side effects increases with age [8].
Sexual side effects related to finasteride usually resolve after discontinuation of the medication [9]. However, persistent sexual dysfunction after the discontinuation of finasteride was reported in a survey-based study of 71 men who associated their symptoms of sexual dysfunction with the use of finasteride for hair loss. The mean age of the study participants was 26 years and the mean duration of finasteride use was 28 months. Twenty percent of these men reported continued symptoms for greater than six years after cessation of the medication [10]. Moreover, a follow-up study of 54 of the interviewed men found that 9 to 16 months after the initial survey, 96 percent continued to report sexual side effects [11]. Additional studies are needed to validate these findings and evaluate the frequency with which persistent sexual dysfunction might occur.
Reductions in sperm count also may occur during treatment with finasteride [12,13]. This effect reverses after drug discontinuation.
Other rare side effects of finasteride include gynecomastia, testicular pain, and depression [14]. Side effects are more likely to occur with the typical 5 mg dose used to treat benign prostatic hypertrophy. Although finasteride is teratogenic, the finasteride concentration in semen does not pose a risk to women trying to conceive.
References:
3. Mella JM, Perret MC, Manzotti M, et al. Efficacy and safety of finasteride therapy for androgenetic alopecia: a systematic review. Arch Dermatol 2010; 146:1141.
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8. Olsen EA, Whiting DA, Savin R, et al. Global photographic assessment of men aged 18 to 60 years with male pattern hair loss receiving finasteride 1 mg or placebo. J Am Acad Dermatol 2012; 67:379.
9. Finasteride Male Pattern Hair Loss Study Group. Long-term (5-year) multinational experience with finasteride 1 mg in the treatment of men with androgenetic alopecia. Eur J Dermatol 2002; 12:38.
10. Irwig MS, Kolukula S. Persistent sexual side effects of finasteride for male pattern hair loss. J Sex Med 2011; 8:1747.
11. Irwig MS. Persistent sexual side effects of finasteride: could they be permanent? J Sex Med 2012; 9:2927.
12. Amory JK, Wang C, Swerdloff RS, et al. The effect of 5alpha-reductase inhibition with dutasteride and finasteride on semen parameters and serum hormones in healthy men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2007; 92:1659.
13. Samplaski MK, Lo K, Grober E, Jarvi K. Finasteride use in the male infertility population: effects on semen and hormone parameters. Fertil Steril 2013; 100:1542.
14. Rahimi-Ardabili B, Pourandarjani R, Habibollahi P, Mualeki A. Finasteride induced depression: a prospective study. BMC Clin Pharmacol 2006; 6:7.
And no.. I'm not on any other supplements/drugs except for multivitamins and fish oil. I also think that taking testosterone is counter-intuitive to taking finasteride - they are ultimately doing opposite things in the body with no specificity to the scalp.
It wouldn't be counter-intuitive, as testosterone converts to DHT, and finasteride prevents that conversion.
What I am wondering is what causes finasteride to kill boners [and apparently it can do this permanently] and whether testosterone would counteract it.
I hear ya but then you're just patching up all these issues and taking more and more drugs just to hold on to some hair for a little bit longer [only as long as you keep taking the drugs]. IMO I'd rather be bald and have a working dick
Out of curiosity, what are everyones numbers for the big 3? I feel like my bench is lacking a lot. Currently getting back into it with strong lifts so don't exactly have a 1RM, or a 5RM even, but here goes:
Out of curiosity, what are everyones numbers for the big 3? I feel like my bench is lacking a lot. Currently getting back into it with strong lifts so don't exactly have a 1RM, or a 5RM even, but here goes:
Squat: 215 5x5
Bench: 150 5x5
Deadlift: 235 3x5
haven't tested for a while and i rarely approach my 1rm but last time i tested half a year ago i got
squat: 565x1
bench: 375x1
deadlift: 595x1
bw: 200 lbs
i typically train moderate intensity high volume most of the year.
Last edited by Sid Vicious; 04-01-2016 at 10:27 AM.
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Anyone got recommendations on where I can find knee sleeves? Been looking into SPD and the knee sleeves from Mark bell. Anyone have any experience with either? Also where can I get the SPD ones from?
innerstrengthproducts.ca I believe are the only Canadian supplier of SBD. I use them and they're great, cant go wrong with them.
Haven't tried the mark bell STrong knee sleeves but from what I hear, they're similar to SBDs. the slingshot knee sleeves are comparable to rehbands.
There are no principles, there are only events. There is no good and bad, there are only circumstances. The superior espouses events and circumstances in order to guide them.
Last edited by instantneedles; 04-03-2016 at 05:03 PM.
There are no principles, there are only events. There is no good and bad, there are only circumstances. The superior espouses events and circumstances in order to guide them.
I feel so unworthy...should not have asked that question
You'll get there in no time. I did SL 5x5 and got to my current lifts in about 8 months and just stayed pretty much the same for the next 4 months. I just started mad cow 3 weeks ago.
Guess the jump will take a little longer than I thought. I didn't warm up really, and jumped from my 225 set straight to 405. Impatient. Squeezed out 385 with some assist afterwards. More KFC, and more training...
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