to me it indicates an efficent workout, but ive heard from others that soreness is not an indication of proper muscle breakdown.. but I dont care tho, thats the way I go about it. if you want your lats sore you really have to isolate them..

why not just do a bunch of eccentric work? that will satisfy your "i wanna be sore the next day" syndrome

yeah some people talk about not getting sore after a workout, but i still think that sore is a good indicator that you kicked your muscle ass, lats are really hard for people to isolate its all about using your back and lats, most people take the load of back with there upper body and not using any lats at all, like when most people do bent over rows they more or less turn it into a trap exercise cause they think they can load 2 plates haha , i have never gone stupid heavy on back, i am all about isolating the lats and getting the blood in there, every singe workout i do for back is diff, but i keep dead lifts always

Finished a killer upper body work out today.

Question: which gainer would you guys recommend? There's 4 I'm looking at cellmass, quickmass, mutant mass, and there's one more that's line iso something can't really remember so don't worry about that one. My goal is to put on some weight and getting some more body mass. Was debating about creative and gainer but was told some gainers are both.

Thanks
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Well if you want creatine... Check to see if those "gainers" you want contain it. Check out the ingredients.

I think some of you have the wrong idea of what creatine is for… If you want to gain, creatine shouldnt be the staple of your gain. Creatine is more there for your workout

exactly. creatine helps you push a little more a little harder in your workout. it wont make up for improper diet or wasting time in the gym.

if you arent eating twice as much as you think you should, and busting your fucking ass in the gym, creatine wont do anything for you.


you want to put weight on? eat more and lift heavy.

Arm is still numb! I can't see a doctor for another week and a half. From the research i've done, it seems to be a pinched nerve. Apparently takes an extremely long time to recover from. I'm pissed. For now i'm popping anti inflammatories until I can see the doc. Hopefully helps a bit. Looks like a looong time off from lifting.

It must have been caused by squats, and that really makes me angry (yess soo very angry). I know I don't have the bar placed too high. I don't use a pad, I never have any pain with it on my traps (They just must not be big enough to cushion the weight :p ) grrrr... Sorry ranting.

My diets fine was just looking for something to add to it
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imo, if you're shopping for a gainier, your diet isnt fine.

eat 2 more sammiches a day.

Only reason I want the gainer is bc I'd rather take that to help than just creatine, but if the creatine alone would do mire than I'll just take that
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creatine isnt a magic powder that makes you get bigger or stronger just by taking it

if your diet is fine then why do you need a gainer? if you trying to gain weight, up the calories by eating real food.. gainers are like junk food, full of sugar and other crap..

i havent missed more than 5 days in a row in a year and a half.

gonna miss 3-4 weeks of gym
going on vacation
hopefully ill be able to throw in a few pushups, chin-ups here and there

you feel like crap when you miss so much time but the muscle comes back fast i you hit it hard

FML...

june 3rd to june 30th I didn't even drop a full 5 lbs :( 13.6 lbs til my goal weight. at this rate it'll take me 3 months lol

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dude I had the same problem, ive been cutting since fucking march.. ive lost about 18lbs which is good, but I could have done that in 2 months.. this month im gonna put it into overdrive.. hopefully 10lbs gone by the next 30th

I know how you feel man, I was recently out for three weeks from hernia surgery. Hang in there :thumbsup:

What steps are you taking to cutting? I'm trying to do that as well.

You said yourself that you arent being very strict on the weekends... If you want the weight to come off faster you gotta think what you want more.
Alcohol + junk food are a diet killer..

I personally would be cutting out the junk and taking some not so legal substances if I had the money that you have.

ps
If anyone pm's me asking me about this stuff I wont respond..

im sitting around 245 ish, started at 271 so not bad for 3 weeks i think

did you measure at the same time of day? measurement can vary quite a bit so you may have lost more than you think, or less, but hopefully more if that's your goal

not to shit on you but isn't it bad if the weight goes down too fast?
I read it should be 1-2lbs a week max depending on your weight and how fat you are.
I assume you're not really fat at all given that you've been working out for a long time
so losing 26 lbs so fast in 3 weeks that would mean some muscle is lost too?

honestly im not to sure, i am not able to lift what i use to that is for sure, but i look 25% bigger and my body fat is prob sitting around 8%, ive read many articles on heavy lifter dropping weight fast, i prob had 5 pounds water weight and the fact i was eating 6000-8000 calories a day, now im like 100grams carbs 200 fat and 300 grams protein and 2000ish calories the weight that will come off will be fast, and at the starting week some people drop 10-15 pounds, not common at all. guys that are cutting weight that dont gain weight or dont eat enough, then yeah it is gonna be alot harder for them, but someone like me who was at 271ish and eating what i use to eat, the weight comes of a bit quicker