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Subban, Suter and Letang voted as finalists for the Norris Trophy...Pretty sure this comes down to Suter Vs. Subban, and my vote goes to Suter...pretty sure he'll get it.
Suter or Subban and Suter wins for being a more well rounded, all-around defenseman. He's only a couple points behind Subban and plays 28 minutes a game.
....That's a huge exaggeration, and really means nothing.....What makes you think 'Kate Upton's Tits' (Canucks) won't turn into 'Sumo Wrestler Diapers' (Flames) in just a matter of years? There's nowhere in the contract that says Canucks are going to be Kate Upton's tits for the next 10 years....
and Long-term contracts ABSOLUTELY give you job security....guy plays good for 2 years, gets long-term contract, sucks balls for the rest of his career, still gets paid.....How is that not job security?
Job security is about getting paid...Shit can get tough at any point for any profession, but knowing that you will always be employed and always get paid is what defines job security.
All that said, I appreciate the great metaphors and analogy.
You can argue with me all you want but the way I'm stating it is the way the NHL works.
With your example, if that guy sucks balls, he'll be traded to another team.
When a player signs a long term contract, especially a 29, 30-year old goalie like Lu that's likely to have a family, that means they're not only committing to playing for the team but that their family will be committing to the city. No player wants to move their kids around all the time. Most players, if they're traded, don't take their kids with them.
A player that's good enough to sign a long term contract can get that money anywhere else. It's not about getting paid. It's about getting paid where you want to play. There's all sorts of factors you're not considering.
Look at Jeff Carter and Mike Richards for the best example of this. Both signed long term contracts with no NTC. It worked out for both in the end. Richards was probably pretty happy going to another playoff team but Carter went to Columbus and pouted for 30 games before getting traded to the Kings. He got paid the same amount of money but shit he did not want to play for CBJ.
You can argue with me all you want but the way I'm stating it is the way the NHL works.
With your example, if that guy sucks balls, he'll be traded to another team.
When a player signs a long term contract, especially a 29, 30-year old goalie like Lu that's likely to have a family, that means they're not only committing to playing for the team but that their family will be committing to the city. No player wants to move their kids around all the time. Most players, if they're traded, don't take their kids with them.
A player that's good enough to sign a long term contract can get that money anywhere else. It's not about getting paid. It's about getting paid where you want to play. There's all sorts of factors you're not considering.
Look at Jeff Carter and Mike Richards for the best example of this. Both signed long term contracts with no NTC. It worked out for both in the end. Richards was probably pretty happy going to another playoff team but Carter went to Columbus and pouted for 30 games before getting traded to the Kings. He got paid the same amount of money but shit he did not want to play for CBJ.
I see what you are saying, but I'm saying the players don't deserve that much leverage...The GM's in this league have gotten stupid...like I said, only the best of the best deserve no-trade clauses with no limitations whatsoever...if you really need to use a NTC to entice others to sign, at least have limitations on it stating this guy can say he doesn't want to be traded to these 10 teams. I don't think we see NTC's being handed out like this in other sports, do we?
and you said with my example, if a guy sucks balls, he'll just get traded, but my point was that that guy has a NTC, and thus can't get traded unless he waives it...
The league needs to implement rules that make a player eligible for a NTC....in the NBA, to even be eligible to receive a no-trade clause, a player must have already collected eight years of NBA experience and at least four years with the team that signs him to a contract containing the clause....It works perfectly, and that's why we only see 4 guys in the NBA with the no-trade clause: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Kevin Garnett.
nothing new...everyone's seen these a gazillion times
im just bored at work... bad calls. At this point it doesn't matter, but just putting it out there. some of them are outrageous
^ at the end of the day while there have been several bad/missed calls against the Canucks, they shouldn't be in a situation where they are dependent on special teams to score. Canucks can't score and that sums it up. Sure its great when you're powerplay is going, but at the end of the day absolutely no offence at even strength.
^ at the end of the day while there have been several bad/missed calls against the Canucks, they shouldn't be in a situation where they are dependent on special teams to score. Canucks can't score and that sums it up. Sure its great when you're powerplay is going, but at the end of the day absolutely no offence at even strength.
Yeah, but you certainly can't get anything going when you're always on the PK either.
I see what you are saying, but I'm saying the players don't deserve that much leverage...The GM's in this league have gotten stupid...like I said, only the best of the best deserve no-trade clauses with no limitations whatsoever...if you really need to use a NTC to entice others to sign, at least have limitations on it stating this guy can say he doesn't want to be traded to these 10 teams. I don't think we see NTC's being handed out like this in other sports, do we?
and you said with my example, if a guy sucks balls, he'll just get traded, but my point was that that guy has a NTC, and thus can't get traded unless he waives it...
The league needs to implement rules that make a player eligible for a NTC....in the NBA, to even be eligible to receive a no-trade clause, a player must have already collected eight years of NBA experience and at least four years with the team that signs him to a contract containing the clause....It works perfectly, and that's why we only see 4 guys in the NBA with the no-trade clause: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Kevin Garnett.
The clause you're suggesting is called a limited no-trade clause and the conditions depend on the deal. Some players hand lists of teams they won't be traded to, some give lists of teams where they'd accept a trade. Manny, for example, has a limited no trade clause. Other players, like the Sedins, have complete NTCs and NMC (no movement clause, meaning they can't be sent to the minors).
And the comparison to the NBA is unfair because of the vast differences in the CBA. The NBA does not work like the NHL. I don't think there's a contract longer than 5 years currently in the NBA (someone correct me if I'm wrong...) but there are definitely no 10+ year contracts in the NBA. Those four players are not only superstarts but they're aging superstars so they're probably on their LAST contract.
The clause you're suggesting is called a limited no-trade clause and the conditions depend on the deal. Some players hand lists of teams they won't be traded to, some give lists of teams where they'd accept a trade. Manny, for example, has a limited no trade clause. Other players, like the Sedins, have complete NTCs and NMC (no movement clause, meaning they can't be sent to the minors).
And the comparison to the NBA is unfair because of the vast differences in the CBA. The NBA does not work like the NHL. I don't think there's a contract longer than 5 years currently in the NBA (someone correct me if I'm wrong...) but there are definitely no 10+ year contracts in the NBA. Those four players are not only superstarts but they're aging superstars so they're probably on their LAST contract.
NBA != NHL
Best players often get 6-7 year contracts in the NBA....and isn't the 10+year contract shit in the NHL just a way to fuck with the cap hit? I mean usually the guy isn't going to play the full 10+ years of that contract is he? He still gets paid the same amount, but the annual cap hit for the team is less...
haha, srs question brah - does this whole fiasco rustle your jimmies or do you not gaf about the canucks any more?
Ever since the finals loss I've pretty much been a neutral observer, tried to have very little emotional ties although still get super tense obviously down 2-1 or when were tied and there is a flurry in front of our net
Invested too much emotionally into the 2011 season after all my efforts and explaining to people that the Canucks were building towards Somthing and to finally see all my talk come to fruition only to see it end in huge disappointment it's hard for me to get on board when I see what I see on the ice, wouldn't say I'm a pessimist or optimist but a realist, my analysis may seem asinine at times but I'd like to think I think the game at a level higher than your average fan, I could write a book on all the little intricacies and eb and flows of the game and how single goals nearly destroyed franchises etc that are far above your typical fans thinking
So after all the 2011 stuff and to see the group that I loved and finally figured they were good enough to win lose like that still an empty feeling
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