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07-06-2012, 12:11 AM
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#1601 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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Originally Posted by JesseBlue  i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword | What do you do when your veterans aren't productive? Keep them on the ice and play a short bench or do you change it up and give your younger players a shot?
It's not like the Canucks are guaranteeing themselves a win by playing veterans either. Not being afraid to play young players late in tight games will help them learn and gain experience. You won't be able to simulate this in the AHL.
There have been many players who played well in the AHL but didn't/haven't had the same success in the NHL. Search Jason Krog, Alexandre Giroux, Darren Haydar, Peter White. Look up any AHL records or top point scorers in each year and they're mostly no names. The more successful players may have a start in the AHL but they develop by playing NHL minutes. Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Earl lol canucks fans too spoiled and canucks players are overly confident at times and have missed opportunities...
AV usually out coach the opposition because everyone buys into the coaching system but other players usually out play the vancouver canucks | Quote:
Originally Posted by RRxtar canuck fan logic:
coach gets out-coached by the coach who had his team playing unstoppable hockey and absolutely dominated every team in the playoffs to win the cup faster than any team in god knows how long.... fire top 5 coach in the NHL to replace with..... no better coaches available. | When has AV ever out-coached the opposition? Other than the constant line juggling, what changes does he make to his game plan to out-coach an opponent? He has one game plan and abides by it religiously regardless of how ineffective it may be.
The Canucks had trouble scoring goals during the SCF and in the first round of the 2012 playoffs. He kept the same game plan and it simply didn't work. I mentioned the 2006 Oilers here before. MacT introduced a defence first system when the Oilers barely squeezed into 8th place ahead of the Canucks and they took out the President Trophy winning Red Wings.
AV just luckily caught on with the Canucks when they had the most talented roster in the team's history. You can put anyone behind this bench and get similar results.
If something isn't working then you need to make changes to make it work. You can't keep beating it with the same hammer and expect a different result. Quote:
Originally Posted by rsx Adaptation...AV's weakness. | Best description of his style... or lack of.
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07-06-2012, 07:03 AM
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#1602 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by Blah_Teggie Does anybody remember a big ticket UFA like a Suter, Parise, Richards, Drury, Gomez, Hossa etc ever stay with their old team after July 1st? It seems like if they don't have a contract with their old teams by July 1st, you can pretty guarantee they're leaving. Dunno why Poile or Lamorello actually thinks they have a chance their guys will actually sign with them. They're only fooling themselves. Those GMs owe it to their fans to either trade them at trade deadline or trade their rights for a draft pick instead of losing them for nothing. | well to be fair both New Jersey and Nashville were gearing up a cup run, nashville went all in at the deadline, and jersey went to the cup finals. You would think a cup might have made them stay so I guess it was worth a shot. No one would have given them much a garunteed pick for the rights to a UFA, they would have been conditional so unless they were traded to minny they woulda gotten nothing anyways.
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07-06-2012, 08:13 AM
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#1603 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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^not fully true. Hamhuis' rights were traded twice before the Canucks signed him. The Pens gave up a 3rd rounder I believe. Philly gave up Ryan Parent for his rights. Neither of these deals were conditional on Hamhuis signing.
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07-06-2012, 09:27 AM
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#1604 | | Waxin’ Punks
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"You know, we'll stick to the process here.."
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07-06-2012, 09:30 AM
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AH, so now I finally realized - the Canucks have been winning all these games, coming within 1 win of having it all, IN SPITE of their coach. Damn if only we'd realized this sooner!
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07-06-2012, 09:33 AM
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#1606 | | Say NO to blade grinders!
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Ted Nolan is probably one of the better coaches who's not coaching somewhere in the league. | Why so high on Nolan? Didn't do much when he was with the Islanders.
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07-06-2012, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp AH, so now I finally realized - the Canucks have been winning all these games, coming within 1 win of having it all, IN SPITE of their coach. Damn if only we'd realized this sooner! | The Canucks were lucky they even got 3 wins in the SCF. All 3 were games were won by 1 goal while Boston absolutely massacred them in their 4 wins.
The Canucks could only score 8 goals in the entire series. .. Bruins scored 8 in game 3 alone. Vancouver had two opportunity to close out the series and win the cup and it didn't happen.
No changes were made to their game plan despite not being able to score or stop goals. Their style of play couldn't match up to the size of the Bruins and AV made no changes to even try and combat this.
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07-06-2012, 09:59 AM
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#1608 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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How do you combat size if you don't have players to go toe to toe?
As for Ted Nolan, he's fucked up pretty bad both times he's been to the NHL, he won't have another gig in the big leagues
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07-06-2012, 10:00 AM
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#1609 | | Waxin’ Punks
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I don't think AV is to blame for us not winning the cup. You'd have to be a fool to think that IMO. Coaches provide game plans, strategies etc but its the player who has to match the effort level and sheer determination to win. Canucks didn't do that if you ask me.
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07-06-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mickz The Canucks were lucky they even got 3 wins in the SCF. All 3 were games were won by 1 goal while Boston absolutely massacred them in their 4 wins.
The Canucks could only score 8 goals in the entire series. .. Bruins scored 8 in game 3 alone. Vancouver had two opportunity to close out the series and win the cup and it didn't happen.
No changes were made to their game plan despite not being able to score or stop goals. Their style of play couldn't match up to the size of the Bruins and AV made no changes to even try and combat this. | So basicaly you think AV should have gone on the ice himself after Rome got suspended or something like that?  | |
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07-06-2012, 10:08 AM
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#1611 | | NEWBIE ACCOUNT!
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Regardless of what happened the previous 6 games of the SCF the nux had a chance to close out on home ice and didn't. Boston was the better team that night and arguable throughout the whole series. AV is a great coach but does have some problems adapting while in game like others have mentioned. He WILL take us to the SCF again .. hopefully sooner then later. As for this off season we are going need more then Garrison to fill the roster. Another top 6 FWD and hard nosed defencemen would be nice. Luongo trade rumours continue, who knows what we could get for him in trade value.
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07-06-2012, 10:43 AM
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#1612 | | In RS I Trust
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It doesn't matter what happened over a year ago... There has been a whole season since then and there isn't a point of talking about it because everything has changed since then...
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07-06-2012, 11:15 AM
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07-06-2012, 11:45 AM
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I just don't read anything by anyone that thinks AV is a bad coach. It's always absolute crap.
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07-06-2012, 11:54 AM
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#1615 | | Big Drama Show
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Originally Posted by Ronin I just don't read anything by anyone that thinks AV is a bad coach. It's always absolute crap. | I just don't read anything by anyone who makes remarks about how no top notch free agent will sign in Minnesota  | |
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07-06-2012, 11:56 AM
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#1616 | | I'm better than you.
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in that interview, lu sounds so sad to leave. but eager to leave because he feels no one in the city wants him anymore.
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07-06-2012, 12:02 PM
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#1617 | | Lomac owned my ass at least once
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The series against Boston was the final straw for me on AV and the Sedins. Seeing those guys get punched in the face was biggest insult and disrespect for the club. That was terrible for team morale.
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07-06-2012, 12:21 PM
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#1618 | | I don't get it
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07-06-2012, 12:21 PM
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#1619 | | (╯°□°）╯聽不到 ╮(°□°╮)
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he didnt say yes or no to @strombone1
and peeing in the shower..
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07-06-2012, 12:32 PM
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#1620 | | I Wanna Go Fast!
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Originally Posted by b0unce. [?] in that interview, lu sounds so sad to leave. but eager to leave because he feels no one in the city wants him anymore. | And that's pathetic. I've got one photo for everyone criticizing his play and calling for his trade: 
He did more for this city than any goaltender ever will.
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07-06-2012, 01:04 PM
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#1621 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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trade #35 for a powerforward and make another run for the cup, 1 more yr... :')
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07-06-2012, 01:07 PM
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I truly hope the fans will do something to show their gratitude when Lu ends up leaving. Even seeing him off at the airport and thanking him for his hard work would be a nice, respectful gesture.
Love him or hate him as a Canuck, he is the winningest goalie in our team's history.
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07-06-2012, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by spoon.ek9 I truly hope the fans will do something to show their gratitude when Lu ends up leaving. Even seeing him off at the airport and thanking him for his hard work would be a nice, respectful gesture.
Love him or hate him as a Canuck, he is the winningest goalie in our team's history. | yea by whining more
thats how this city is
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07-06-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JDął And that's pathetic. I've got one photo for everyone criticizing his play and calling for his trade:
He did more for this city than any goaltender ever will. | What you can't even see Crosby in that picture  | |
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07-06-2012, 01:16 PM
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#1625 | | Banned (ABWS)?
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A skill team that is the league's best PP goes 2/33 in seven games.
No Shit Boston was like  and gooning.
Retaliate or not, canucks game plan was to remain composed and score on the powerplay,
But obviously that strategy went to shit.
Critics won't shutup just because of Luongo's gold medal.
Its still too easy for them to debate that he was behind the worlds best players
And that any backup goalie could have won too.
Haters gonna hate.
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