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I don't think it's been mentioned before, so I'll leave this here.
Ever since working my recent job, I've discovered how it gets frustrating at times when putting wheels back on a German vehicle because they do not use the conventional stud and lug nut design compared to domestic and Japanese vehicles; they use lug bolts instead. When I was starting out, it took me (admittedly) at least 5 minutes to fiddle around with the wheel because of spinning it around on the hub and lining it up with the holes, and sometimes it falls right off if I don't pay attention.. At the time it took me to do one, I could have done all four wheels on a domestic vehicle It's been a couple months since I've worked here and I found it easier to do it quickly, after quite a bit of practice
Does anybody know why German vehicles specifically use lug bolts instead of the common lug nut design that everybody else uses and in correlation with why German vehicles are rather difficult to work on in general? Cost-effectiveness? Convenience? Tradition?
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I actually just started my new job as well and have noticed that too. Frustrating until it goes on then I congratulate myself generally they have a certain way to go on as the tire should sit on a hook of some sort
It is actually quite standardized there are only 2 sizes M12 or M14 and it is not only the Germans but the Europeans. It offers more flexibility wheel sizing. You never snap a bolt vs a stud.
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Does anybody know why German vehicles specifically use lug bolts instead of the common lug nut design that everybody else uses and in correlation with why German vehicles are rather difficult to work on in general? Cost-effectiveness? Convenience? Tradition?
^I'm thinking of doing the conversion too. Any advice or opinions to share?
just buy quality stud/lugs
so much science behind nuts and bolts..
not all studs are created equal
those ones i got in particular reduces stress risers by having larger diameter shoulder for the stud to bottom out on the hub
also, the bullet nose will keep the lugs from ever getting cross threaded.
and ideally, stud/lugs as well as wheel bolts should be replaced every couple years..
germans always like to do the opposite of what everyone else does. This is the thing that pisses me off the most,
in manual mode, gear up is actually gear down.
when in domestic/imports its normal.
Because of hard acceleration that naturally pushes your body back, so its easier to upshift by going with the force rather than against it. When you're decelerating, your body is pushed forward thus, naturally pushing forward on the stick downshifts.
Also all sequential gearboxes uses push to downshift and pull to upshift
Where do you get lug conversions for not a crazy price? Once I get back into BMW I dont want to deal with those damn bolts. I dealt with it for years...
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Its really not that difficult to change a tire, regardless of stud or bolt. Especially if your wheels fit. (hub centric) Once spacers are involved its a bit of a bitch, but really......come on. I think my gti has a wheel hanger in the kit anyway.
190E I had more problems taking the wheel off than the lug nuts. I know you're suppose to take a 2x4 into it but whacking the wheel off on car jacks
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It's been a couple months since I've worked here and I found it easier to do it quickly, after quite a bit of practice 
generally they have a certain way to go on as the tire should sit on a hook of some sort
I had more problems taking the wheel off than the lug nuts. I know you're suppose to take a 2x4 into it but whacking the wheel off on car jacks 
