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Why would someone want to drop out of HS though, it is VERY easy compared to university, and we're guided every step of the way.
really?
lol, i found highschool way fucking harder than university.
i spent like 10x more time on studying and homework in HS than i ever did in university.
after i got used to the system, i barely showed up for class, and wrote 12 page research essays in 1.5 nights. university was WAY easier than high school (mind you i was arts lol!)
high school was a nightmare. forced to be there from morning till night. stupid projects. subjects that i really sucked at. hours of being tutored from friends and professionals just so i could understand and pass a single test.
university was like revscene to me. all i had to do was argue and find some quotes to back it up. just type a buncha bullshit and hand it in, as long as u followed the guidelines you passed lol!
ratemyprofessors was cheatmode man
people from previous years hand me down assignments and projects.
there were so many ways around the system in university.
sweet talking profs explaining your views etc etc
i found high school to be very rigorous in terms of lifestyle.
its not just work. its like a lock down on your life. like prison.
i can TOTALLY see why some people don't wanna do it.
where as university, you just have to know the system and work it (from an arts perspective).
For everyone I know that dropped out, they either picked up a trade (plumber/carpenter/electrician) or were lucky enough to get into longshore. The other ones are SOL. Sit at home twiddling their thumbs doing nothing all day.
I go university full time but I get summers off, this summer I decided to get into a sales job. I fucking hated it; I got treated like shit, the hours were long, but you know what? If your really tried hard it was easy to average $25-$30/hour. The top person there was making almost $40/hr. This job where I worked at required no education. So you would think in a job where you can easily average $30/hr you'd have tons of people working there.
The kicker was, we were all university students and this was our part-time summer job. The point I'm trying to make here is that to make a decent amount of money is easy, if you feel you need the money. If everything is given to you, you won't have any motivation to work a shit job (even if the pay is great). If you never had to work for anything in your life, or if you just 'dropped out' when the going got tough, you won't get anywhere because life isn't easy, it never is.
If you get into the mindset of "I'm going to make $XXX,XXX this year, I don't care what it takes, and I don't give a fuck what I have to do. I'm going to do it, try and stop me" you'll do it.
ratemyprofessors was cheatmode man people from previous years hand me down assignments and projects.
there were so many ways around the system in university.
sweet talking profs explaining your views etc etc
where as university, you just have to know the system and work it (from an arts perspective).
Love profs who re use exams. Had this happen in two of my classes.
I have the same feelings as Ulic Qel-Droma. High school was complete shit for me I hated it every second I was there.
Im currently at socials 10 + 4 creds to grad. Langara doesnt need highschool grad to get in if you are 19+ so i said fuck it and I did it. I loved langara, well not love but it was really good; B average for the school year. Although some classes in Langara make you feel like you are in highschool, but this i found was 100% prof, the course it self is only as interesting as the prof makes it. Business Organization for me was a blast, but the other prof that does BO does marketing which i took was complete shit, ended up dropping that course.
Anyways 1 year in langara and now im off to BCIT to learn some trades, Im fortunate enough that my father owns a bodyshop type company but I still want to work from the bottom up, especially in Asia you need that respect at least.
Sometimes I wonder if I should have went to Langara or not.
I took a year off school to work because I didn't know what I wanted to do in life. At least I didn't stay home and I didn't party that much. I didn't blow my money away.
I hated school. I knew I should've tried harder back in highschool, but it's too late for that now. Even a little bit of extra effort could've gotten me into university.
Now that a year has passed, I'm officially going back to school for a trade (automotive technician) in september. I don't know if it'll be good or not. It's too early to decide. At this point, I'm still not sure if I wanted to do it or not.
We'll see how life turns out. Cheers !
I also managed to make new friends, bought a car, and learned the value of money.
Because as you get older, you will realise that formal education does nothing more than provide opportunities. What one does with those opportunities is related to their ambition and motivation. There's no guarantee that some piece of paper will relate to being successful.
There are plenty of people who make their own opportunities and are extremely successful without "formal" education.
What I'm saying is, there's plenty of people with arts degrees that work at starbucks.
27 finished only hs working in a trades its a family business though with a few employees.
Getting about 2k cash every month with everything provided from my father. lol does that equal about 50k per year for me individually?
Who are you to say who's good at what? I'm so sick of these damn sample of one stories while I know many successful people who are GOOD with their money. You know why you never hear those stories? Because they aren't interesting.
I'm not saying anyone is good at what. It's just my personal opinion that I've concluding from my experiences from interacting with people, friends, family, acquaintances who's worked on the rigs and from knowing their habits and lifestyles. I never said everyone who work on the rigs is X and everyone with an arts degree is Y, in fact I stated quite the opposite.
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Ontop of that a lot of posts about oil are "I heard" "I read" "I had a friend" which essentially saying "I read a post on a forum"
yes, just like your post below... your MLA, your friend, your friends dad...
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Yeah except the part that shows you can work 14 hour days, work in extreme conditions and do heavy labour. And if you are a good worker you have the opportunities to learn a trade. Many people go to Alberta to get their red seals.
Yes, you learn all these great skills that will get jobs, but it's limiting. You can't decide to go be a brain surgeon or engineer airplanes with a red seal certificate. You'll make a decent living, but you're options are limited in what trades you can get into, not saying it's a bad thing if you know what you want to do at a young age. If that's the life you choose then that's fantastic for knowing how you want to live your life.
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An arts degree is fucking useless unless its SPECIALIZED. You know what else is a foot in the door? Working hard and never settling, and self learning and acquiring skills on the job sites.
Yes I agree it's better to be specialized than general studies, but that wasn't the argument put forth. It was if you'd rather work in oil or have an arts degree. A degree will definitely teach you to work hard, acquire self learning skills, and gain work experience on job sites, without these the degree would be impossible because you'd be kicked out. Yes you can learn all these from working in oil, but you won't get a degree out of it unless you go through post secondary education.
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That's why I take offense to this post. My MLA worked on oil rigs (John Cummins) my friend who is a foreman for the City worked in oil. My friends dad is a heavy duty mechanic working in oil and he loves his job, and fuck I know a girl that works on a camp as a receptionist and she takes a vacation every month while paying for a condo that she rents out here in Vancouver.
Again i'm not trying to offend anyone, my post was to state my choice, not to force others to swear by it like the bible.
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Like I said, school is only good if you are going for a trade or a skill or a specific job.
No it's not, school is good because it teaches you how to problem solve and how to apply your knowledge and skills to gain results later in life and work. That's it, nothing else. I'm sure not many adults remember how to do physics problems they learned in high school, but i can almost guarantee they'd know how to solve problems later on in life from applying logic from that class.
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If you are going to waste your parents money don't pretend you know the value of hard work.
No it's not, school is good because it teaches you how to problem solve and how to apply your knowledge and skills to gain results later in life and work. That's it, nothing else. I'm sure not many adults remember how to do physics problems they learned in high school, but i can almost guarantee they'd know how to solve problems later on in life from applying logic from that class.
this x1000000
ps. school did not teach me how to quote on RS
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Reason: im an idiot :)
im pretty sure i do better than you its like im pretty working for myself whatelse are my parents gonna do with the money. i make 50k but daddy make 500k
Never said I was doing better than you, Im 20 and happy with my 23k year!
I dropped out of high school because of some health issues. Missed grades 11 and 12. After I got better I finished my continuing education and got my Adult Diploma. Now at 24 I own my own one bedroom condo and have a comfortable life.
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^2k cash per month if he paid taxes on it would probably be at least 3k per month before taxes taken off, which is 36 per year. In addition it sounds like his father is paying for his rent and everything, so 50k a year sounds about right. Unless i'm mistaken
i'd still agree more that its better to finish to school than labouring trades but if its a business its different
heck i'd rather sit in class chill network with girls finish my arts instead than to do work
But the debate isnt about what one prefers, its what is the perceived benefit from staying in school or not. E.g. I prefer to be in your situation and have hand me down monies and living expenses, but is it good for me?
So back on topic and referring to your first sentence. Finishing school does not mean anything, regardless of that decision on whether you stay in school or not its how you are perceived to others that will make the difference in whether you are jobless, work at a shitty job, or have your dream job.
^2k cash per month if he paid taxes on it would probably be at least 3k per month before taxes taken off, which is 36 per year. In addition it sounds like his father is paying for his rent and everything, so 50k a year sounds about right. Unless i'm mistaken
if i get 50k working elsewhere having to pay for my own food, car insurance+gas, mortgage/rent its the same thing man. i'd just work for those expenses might as my work for family members
its good to be more independent but dropped out of bcit a few years back and this is what i do now no choice i dunno what could be different had i finished the business program
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does that equal about 50k per year for me individually?
