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Just because you have something given to you, it does not up your work compensated income, which is what people with any common sense are referring to in this thread. My girlfriend pays half of our rent. Does that mean I tack on 800 bucks a month to my personal income?
Just because you have something given to you, it does not up your work compensated income, which is what people with any common sense are referring to in this thread. My girlfriend pays half of our rent. Does that mean I tack on 800 bucks a month to my personal income?
i dunno man working for family members its hard to say. I know why pay someone more when you can pay minimum my dad is really cheap lol
i could ask for a raise to 50k a year and pay for my own expenses. wtf is the difference? i2k per month working hard at a trade isn't that much anyway
or i can just take the business right now and make 500k but i don't want the responsibility nor does he wanna retire yet
i could play games all day and business still makes money without me working
if i get 50k working elsewhere having to pay for my own food, car insurance+gas, mortgage/rent its the same thing man. i'd just work for those expenses might as my work for family members
its good to be more independent but dropped out of bcit a few years back and this is what i do now no choice i dunno what could be different had i finished the business program
Please tell me you're ing us...
But, assuming you're not...
So you don't deal with any sort of expenses right now? You don't have to save money every pay cheque for rent/mortgage, car insurance/fuel/repair bills, phone/hydro/cable/etc bills? Provided you do take over your dad's job, what experience will you bring into it? How will you make sure that your employees aren't taking financial advantage? How will you balance the books if you have a slow year? How will you budget for future upgrades and repairs? And suppose the business goes bust? What will you do then? Or, when you take over, will you merely be a figurehead CEO/owner and hope that everyone else who works for the company knows what they're doing? Running a small business requires you to know what the fuck you're doing. And judging from your posts, you don't. Family or not, father or not, you're not going to be given the reigns of a business without knowledge and experience...
Going back to the topic of whether or not people CAN be better of with or without Highschool, I do know of one guy I'd like to make an example of.
I have a friend who dropped out of highschool to pursue dancing full time. He's a freakin' bad ass hip hop dancer/breaker, etc. I believe he pursued and studied more traditional forms of dancing like ballroom, etc, etc later on. This guy just loved to dance and it was his life. He taught dance for a living, and studied/practiced dance in his spare time (for fun).
Anyways, the dude is much older than me and I just saw him again/ran into him in the middle of one of his classes (teaching breakdance) and here's what I saw.
This dude is not rich. Hell I don't even think he's middle class (by our 2012 definition). He's definitely not poor like a bum though but he's definitely not making a lot of money. But here's the kicker...
He's happy. He's really really happy. At the time, much more happier than myself even though I estimate I was making at least 3 to 4 times his income. I look at him, and he has that genuine happiness that most of us trying survive the rat race are trying to seem like we have.
So I just wanted to post that story because it seems like all the drop-outs here seem to like to brag how ballin' they are despite not finishing school. Whether some of those are exaggerations or not, I just wanted to post that not everyone measures success by how much money they make. Some people can live @ 20k - $30k a year and be far happier than those making 50k plus.
Oh and BTW, from what I see, this guy is amazing with girls. Far better than your baller in my observation; and he doesn't even try to game. Unlike guys who are ballin' who need to flaunt to attract, these guy does the opposite of flaunting and still getting mad game.
Seriously, this guy is my idol. And he isn't even rich; one of my nicest friends I know of too.
Going back to the topic of whether or not people CAN be better of with or without Highschool, I do know of one guy I'd like to make an example of.
I have a friend who dropped out of highschool to pursue dancing full time. He's a freakin' bad ass hip hop dancer/breaker, etc. I believe he pursued and studied more traditional forms of dancing like ballroom, etc, etc later on. This guy just loved to dance and it was his life. He taught dance for a living, and studied/practiced dance in his spare time (for fun).
Anyways, the dude is much older than me and I just saw him again/ran into him in the middle of one of his classes (teaching breakdance) and here's what I saw.
This dude is not rich. Hell I don't even think he's middle class (by our 2012 definition). He's definitely not poor like a bum though but he's definitely not making a lot of money. But here's the kicker...
He's happy. He's really really happy. At the time, much more happier than myself even though I estimate I was making at least 3 to 4 times his income. I look at him, and he has that genuine happiness that most of us trying survive the rat race are trying to seem like we have.
So I just wanted to post that story because it seems like all the drop-outs here seem to like to brag how ballin' they are despite not finishing school. Whether some of those are exaggerations or not, I just wanted to post that not everyone measures success by how much money they make. Some people can live @ 20k - $30k a year and be far happier than those making 50k plus.
Oh and BTW, from what I see, this guy is amazing with girls. Far better than your baller in my observation; and he doesn't even try to game.
And that's the kicker, isn't it? Many people decide to pursue a life through school that will net them the most amount of money possible regardless of if they enjoy the job. Others live life the way they want to, whether it means dropping out of school to become a professional skateboarder or get a BA in Kwantlen and then teach special needs kids because they genuinely want to help out.
Life is about doing what you want to do, not what others feel you should. The guy you know is someone I would respect far more for doing what he's passionate about than someone who spent ten years in school trying to become a brain surgeon because "that's where the money is."
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40% of the canadian workforce is in trades and I just fucking love how most trade jobs = failure at life.
Get realistic rich asian kids.
I won't speak for other Asian cultures but China since my family background allows me to speak on this and to shed some light on the Chinese perspective.
In the old days, taking and successfully passing the civil service examinations would lead to administrative positions and an instant boost in social status (and bringing great pride to your family, clan, and or village) - although you are not Asian and I do not expect you to fully understand this. Yes, there is strong value attached to education and it remains heavily embedded within the Chinese mindset (wealthy and poor), just as it is with other ethnic groups and certain classes. In Canada, education is indeed seen by many immigrants in this country as a way to improve their status. In particular, this mindset has resulted in many Chinese (like the Jewish) achieving professional level designations in Canadian society, which I am sure you can agree is a good thing. At least they will not end up to be leeches.
As for my own personal experience, my family values intellectual prowess even more than money making ability (and there are probably many families like this). Yes, there are certain expectations and pressure for me not to be in trades. However, this does not mean having to look down on others in trades. I also want to point out that not everyone goes to university with the intention to land a job.
edit: very true that in Asia it is a whole different ball game, you don't make squat and get very little respect. However, the quality of the workmanship is much higher in North America as J pointed out and there may be completely non-existent or at the very most minimal certifications required in developing countries.
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remember, trades ppl make good money is because they are in canada, a land with so few people. if this was in china, lol good luck getting any social respect or $$$.
I could've just graduated high school left it there and just stuck with dead end 9-5 jobs here such as working as a line cook or a warehouse worker and continue to work my way up to some sort of management in those fields. I also got myself into relationships, souped up my car, and partied my ass off that distracted me from planning out my future. I did that for three years and saw felt that it wasn't the right direction in my life. There was something more for me and I had to act accordingly.
I had a passion for cars, art and design, and met some individuals who would guided me to choose the right career path. I worked my ass off in those bullshit jobs and made saved some money and took the plunge to go get a post-secondary education. I got accepted to Emily Carr University and studied graphics and eventually got finished a degree in communication design. At first I wanted to transfer to Art Center (ranked #1 design school in North America) here in California for Transportation Design but the tuition costs was definitely out of reach.
I worked professionally as a designer for two very promising companies in Vancouver and could have settled permanently. I also had a few side gigs here and there and started doing some real car design jobs (rims, kits, video game design, coachbuilds etc). My initial degree got me these jobs and made way more money minus the intensive labor. For three years again, I was very comfortable. Could've bought a house and gotten married or started a family but getting into Art Center Transportation Design was still calling me. I finally saved some more money, applied through the school and they gave me a scholarship and also transferred me in halfway through the program because of my initial degree and transfer credits. I took the plunge again and moved here in California and attended Art Center in January.
I just finished two terms here at Art Center. It's hard work. Harder than any bullshit manual intensive labor job that I've done in the past. It's very emotional with all the work and creativity I've invested in my projects and getting raped through the critique process. But I can tell you this much, I'm happy and I'm enjoying it. Because at the end of the day, I'm doing what I'm supposed to doing and I'd be lying to myself I hadn't made that choice. I just finished a few courses taught by rockstar designers such as Rick Chen - 2013 lead designer of the 2013 NSX, BMW i3-i8 designer Richard Kim, Hyundai design manager - Jon Krteski . The next few courses I'm enrolled in will be taught by more direct lead design managers from Lexus, Hyundai, and Audi. I still have my scholarship and expecting some more and also inducted into the Art Center provost honor roll list. I'm expecting to finish in a couple of years including the two studio internships we're recommended to complete for our graduation requirements. Where will I be after all this? I plan on still designing for studios or maybe teach design eventually.
I'm not here to brag but just to provide some insight about my interesting journey. I had a choice and I made one. Here I am now in beautiful Pasadena California 7 years later. The key point is you'll be working for 30-40 years. Plan accordingly or take some risks because 30-40 years is a long time to be reflecting on the right and wrong choices you'll be making. That single degree opened up a lot of doors for me. What more if I have two?
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^I don't find that to be bragging at all. In fact, I found it to be quite an interesting experience because its not what I would consider the norm. Awesome that you've decided to chase your dream.
I have a question, how high does Rhode Island Design rank? I was told it was the equivalent of Harvard in the art world.
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remember, trades ppl make good money is because they are in canada, a land with so few people. if this was in china, lol good luck getting any social respect or $$$.
Exactly. Mechanics make what? $50-75 CDN an hour in labor? Here in china the certified mechanic at the Mercedes dealership that works on my car makes $500 CDN a month, my plumber makes $250 CDN a month, and the guy that came to fix my aircon makes $200 CDN a month. People in trades are only well respected in north america because of the education and certifications needed to be in the trade. In 2nd/3rd world countries, they are considered to be low class jobs because they don't require education, so of course immigrants from these countries are going to think the same towards trades.
I know a few successful people that did not get far past elementary school.
One old co-worker of mine is doing very well. Worked random labor jobs and didn't spend money like an idiot. Eventually bought an older house and fixed it up to sell it. He was lucky as well that the price of real estate jumped in that duration and he was able to make a couple hundred thousand. He then gathered a few investors and was able to build a commercial / residential building (commercial space on bottom floor, apartments up top) and they made bank on them as well. He had enough money and at this time was working with heavy equipment making roughly 110k / year to buy a few Hydro-Vac trucks. Before he got the loan from the bank he went out and got work for the trucks for one year. The bank instantly gave him the loan he needed to get the trucks and they are working 24/7 in Fort Saskatchewan. He bought these over six months ago and he has made enough to pay them both off but instead of doing that, he keeps buying more trucks with the work he is able to have for them.
This guy didn't get through grade 8. You wouldn't know it by talking to him, I only found out when I asked him to read a section from a safety meeting when we worked together. This guy is driven, has great people skills, smart business sense, and is easy to get along with.
I know a few other guys in similar situations. But, being in the Oil Industry it's a different ball game as a lot of the good jobs are just being in the right place at the right time.
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But, and this is an honest question and I mean no offense, do people in some trades actually derive enjoyment and satisfaction from their work or are they in it for the money? Sure you get paid a lot but I can't imagine fixing clogged toilets or fixing refrigerators everyday to be something that is very stimulating.
^ I have a few friends that are in residential construction and love the fact that they can drive by a house and say they framed it or did the siding or did the roof on it etc.
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Well I'm a chef which is a trade, and I do it because I enjoy it. I went to university for an arts degree (dropped out because I didn't see a light at the end of tunnel), and also went to school to be an emt, but chose to be a cook instead. The money is ok, not great, but anywhere I feel like going I can have a job the day I move there, which not many people can say about their profession. I think lots of the trades have a specific artistic feeling behind them. You can ask the same thing about accountants, lawyers etc how they can enjoy adding and subtracting (i'm obviously downplaying what they actually do, and I understand there is much more to it), or whatever most lawyers do. Everyone is good at different things, and I find people get the most enjoyment not from necessarily what they do, but how well they do it, and how much they progress throughout their career. Its nice being good at your job.
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It doesn't overly connect with the other trades since the labour is less (visibly) intense. Although like I said there is an artistic side to say framing a house or brick laying or whatever. I have friends in lots of the trades, as I am from alberta. It makes so much sense to go into a trade being from edmonton, as its really the driving force behind the economy there.
Exactly. Mechanics make what? $50-75 CDN an hour in labor? Here in china the certified mechanic at the Mercedes dealership that works on my car makes $500 CDN a month, my plumber makes $250 CDN a month, and the guy that came to fix my aircon makes $200 CDN a month. People in trades are only well respected in north america because of the education and certifications needed to be in the trade. In 2nd/3rd world countries, they are considered to be low class jobs because they don't require education, so of course immigrants from these countries are going to think the same towards trades.
Lol. Auto techs in the lower mainland make 25-30/hr on average. The guys making 100k are not the hourly guys, it's the guys that earn per job, and pump out production. Hd mechanics make 30-40/hr avg locally, and up to and over 115/hr with their own service trucks in bc and ab.
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