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But, and this is an honest question and I mean no offense, do people in some trades actually derive enjoyment and satisfaction from their work or are they in it for the money? Sure you get paid a lot but I can't imagine fixing clogged toilets or fixing refrigerators everyday to be something that is very stimulating.
If I am wrong please correct me.
Not all trades make amazing money. You have to be at the right place. I'm kind of a mix. I love the cash, and I definitely like it more then anything else I could be doing.
But, and this is an honest question and I mean no offense, do people in some trades actually derive enjoyment and satisfaction from their work or are they in it for the money? Sure you get paid a lot but I can't imagine fixing clogged toilets or fixing refrigerators everyday to be something that is very stimulating.
If I am wrong please correct me.
Some trades, absolutely. I know people who do things like plumbing and framing merely because the take home pay is good, not because they enjoy it. However, one of my best friends is an industrial electrician and he love his job. Sure, some people may balk at how dangerous it can be (a few weeks ago he was crawling along on some one foot wide beams directly above a smelting boiler... without a safety harness ), but to him every day is a new challenge and that's what he enjoys. Another friend is a site supervisor for a large, well known landscaping company and he loves the fact that he gets to spend his days outside working with his hands, making various properties and parts of infrastructures look better.
But, and this is an honest question and I mean no offense, do people in some trades actually derive enjoyment and satisfaction from their work or are they in it for the money? Sure you get paid a lot but I can't imagine fixing clogged toilets or fixing refrigerators everyday to be something that is very stimulating.
If I am wrong please correct me.
when you're a foreman or superintendent it's a challenging position to run your job well and make a profitable project. people in those positions don't necessarily get their hands on the tools anymore and they will make quite a nice salary.
depends how far you want to take it.
you can just screw in cover plates for plugs & switches or be a lead hand or run a crew...or be experienced enough on the tools to do the big installs...
working with some guys that started in the trades i have total respect for them and their knowledge. some know more than an engineer it's amazing the construction/design knowledge they have
Did someone compare Canadian trained red sealed educated tradesmen to Chinese super unsafe tradesmen?
no I just told you the reason why Asian people think poorly of trade jobs, rich or not, since you seem pretty clueless why trades are inferior. Learn to read and comprehend what you read before opening your mouth
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40% of the canadian workforce is in trades and I just fucking love how most trade jobs = failure at life.
But, and this is an honest question and I mean no offense, do people in some trades actually derive enjoyment and satisfaction from their work or are they in it for the money? Sure you get paid a lot but I can't imagine fixing clogged toilets or fixing refrigerators everyday to be something that is very stimulating.
If I am wrong please correct me.
I enjoy my job but I don't work on the tools. I manage projects and I estimate. The only time I'm on site is for walk a rounds, meetings or if I need to look at something to price it. Like said above doing the dirty work isn't that fun but some people enjoy it and without those people projects wouldn't get complete so they have to be appreciated. There are other positions to move into that involve less or no physical work so you don't have to be stuck on tools forever mind you there are some people who never want to come off them.
I have a plumber friend who loves residential plumbing. He's good at it, he makes lots of money at it and enjoys his job.
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Exactly. Mechanics make what? $50-75 CDN an hour in labor? Here in china the certified mechanic at the Mercedes dealership that works on my car makes $500 CDN a month, my plumber makes $250 CDN a month, and the guy that came to fix my aircon makes $200 CDN a month. People in trades are only well respected in north america because of the education and certifications needed to be in the trade. In 2nd/3rd world countries, they are considered to be low class jobs because they don't require education, so of course immigrants from these countries are going to think the same towards trades.
I do get this kind of vibe off of some of these high end home owners. But, I don't care because they're not paying 2nd/3rd world prices. They pay for what they get. Naturally, if a certain trade doesn't like you, they will care less about what they do for you and put you at the end of the priority list.
So you don't deal with any sort of expenses right now? You don't have to save money every pay cheque for rent/mortgage, car insurance/fuel/repair bills, phone/hydro/cable/etc bills? Provided you do take over your dad's job, what experience will you bring into it? How will you make sure that your employees aren't taking financial advantage? How will you balance the books if you have a slow year? How will you budget for future upgrades and repairs? And suppose the business goes bust? What will you do then? Or, when you take over, will you merely be a figurehead CEO/owner and hope that everyone else who works for the company knows what they're doing? Running a small business requires you to know what the fuck you're doing. And judging from your posts, you don't. Family or not, father or not, you're not going to be given the reigns of a business without knowledge and experience...
no expenses never paid for a single bill in my life even while i was at school parents gave me allowance. I dropped out don't know whatelse to do everyday so just do whatever work my father tells me to do now haha
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no expenses never paid for a single bill in my life even while i was at school parents gave me allowance. I dropped out don't know whatelse to do everyday so just do whatever work my father tells me to do now haha
no expenses never paid for a single bill in my life even while i was at school parents gave me allowance. I dropped out don't know whatelse to do everyday so just do whatever work my father tells me to do now haha
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Man, I'm not going to lie, I've had lots of help throughout my life from my Mom financially, but I fucking hate taking her hard earned money that I believe she should be enjoying because she worked her ass off to raise me. Don't you feel like you are taking advantage of your parents? I mean honestly, if you don't have some sort of disability preventing you from taking care of yourself, you should be taking care of yourself by the time you are almost 30.
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no expenses never paid for a single bill in my life even while i was at school parents gave me allowance. I dropped out don't know whatelse to do everyday so just do whatever work my father tells me to do now haha
Man, I'm not going to lie, I've had lots of help throughout my life from my Mom financially, but I fucking hate taking her hard earned money that I believe she should be enjoying because she worked her ass off to raise me. Don't you feel like you are taking advantage of your parents? I mean honestly, if you don't have some sort of disability preventing you from taking care of yourself, you should be taking care of yourself by the time you are almost 30.
i am working on it but i know trades won't be my line of business for the next 30-40 years of my life. im planning to work a few more years and see if i can get a loan start a business i love doing.
i am working on it but i know trades won't be my line of business for the next 30-40 years of my life. im planning to work a few more years and see if i can get a loan start a business i love doing.
the family business im currently doing working at is making money doing well there's no rush but the only problem i would say is i haven't achieved it on my own.
and i don't love it enough that i wanna know every detail how to run/handle the business
I do get this kind of vibe off of some of these high end home owners. But, I don't care because they're not paying 2nd/3rd world prices. They pay for what they get. Naturally, if a certain trade doesn't like you, they will care less about what they do for you and put you at the end of the priority list.
Exactly, they get what they pay for. The high salary in trades in north america is because it actually require skill, education, and years of practice to perfect it. In china 99% of the people in trade never attended any form of school and only learned the practice from another in the field. If they picked a shitty master to learn from, they'll be shitty all their life and think it's the way to do things. Another thing is they'll always just learn the basics and as soon as they have some knowledge, they'll claim to be masters themselves and take on anything just so they can make money. Regardless of the result, they'll just attempt a job they're not certified for, if they fuck up, who cares, no need for return customers or recommendations in a country with such dense population.
That's the one thing I hate here, if you are getting something fixed, it usually take multiple trips to get it fixed, and most times instead of fixing the original fault, other things are broken in the process. It's like a gamble if you need any sort of service done.
I've given up on babying my car here because it is literally IMPOSSIBLE. See the car wash use a sponge picked off the ground to wash your car? Let it be, because they'll think you are crazy if you tell them the sponge would be full of sand and rocks that will scratch your paint.
Had my windows tinted on my brand new car at the certified Llumar dealer. They fucked up and used a different color on the back because they ran out of the original, I had them redo the fronts because I didn't want the rear defrosters to get damaged if they ripped off the rear. They rip out the fronts and took an exacto knife to the glass to get off all the glue. The result? Tons of microscopic scratches on all my new windows that reflect sunlight like crazy at sunrise and sunset. Can't do anything because they're not going to spend $4000 to replace all my windows nor does suing them work here.
So it's not hard to imagine why people here think the way they do towards any profession that does not require any advanced form of education. For people that emigrate, it's also hard to get rid of that mentality because they've dealt with it all their lives. You can only educate them and tell them the difference in service and trade between a first and 2nd world country.
do we have anyone in this forum that never graduated high school, or never graduated post secondary... and is considered a successful white collar worker?
by successful i mean, doing something where you'd guess they had a university or masters degree, but in reality, they don't have any degree at all.
i was making 20/hour in grade 12, started in the kitchen at grade 10 as a dishwasher=( its where i always wanted to be, and it was what i wanted to do since i was probably 7, by grade 12 i became a first cook/jr sous for the same company of course.
grade 12 i dropped out
continued as a sous,
left that company for a year, as i was hired to become a head chef at a small restaurant at 19, stayed there for a year, and now im back to where i started;]
some people still troll me for not gradding,
but the people who do are the ones still in school paying for a ton of debt unless your parents are paying for it, or still at home doing shit all.
@21, i now have place of my own, a car, and a bike yay!, all paid for.
and have been planning on opening up my own restaurant for past few years now, its coming;D
do we have anyone in this forum that never graduated high school, or never graduated post secondary... and is considered a successful white collar worker?
by successful i mean, doing something where you'd guess they had a university or masters degree, but in reality, they don't have any degree at all.
and if we do have one, how did you do it?
how is white collared considered more successful if your gonna clock in 9-5 anyway everyday until you're 65 whether you make 50 or 100k/year compared to blue collar making the same amount working 6 months of the year. you aren't successful either way
or you can just work a few more years in business get the money and can retire by 30 and never worry about money again.
success is determined that you never to work again for money unless you want to
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), but to him every day is a new challenge and that's what he enjoys. Another friend is a site supervisor for a large, well known landscaping company and he loves the fact that he gets to spend his days outside working with his hands, making various properties and parts of infrastructures look better.
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