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[InvisibleSoul]

Originally Posted by Not really racist!

Oh snap.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Props to the Pats for a great game. Even though they cheated to get there and they have probably the most annoying fans in any sport (as evidenced on this page), they played great and benefited from possibly the worst play call in super bowl history.

I thought Edelman was the MVP. Brady played fine, but it was his bad plays that made this game as close as it was.

Stop being butt hurt about the loss, dude. The Patriots were criticized early this season after the loss to the Chiefs and rightly so. People were writing off this team early and saying Brady was over the hill.

Guess what? The team re-grouped during the season and overcame adversity in the playoffs.

New England was losing to the Ravens by 14 points twice in that playoff game only to come back and win. I would say that's a pretty good sign of a team that can do well in the playoffs.

As for the Deflategate investigation, there are no results about whether the Patriots team, coach, or any person associated with this team, did anything with those footballs.

Show me some video of the crime or get a witness to prove this team broke league rules. Prove it.

Otherwise, people should get the fuck off their backs and let this team celebrate a Superbowl!

[PeanutButter]

^If you think Brady or anyone else on the Patriots had no idea on the ball pressure, you're living in lala land.

Game was complete shit today. I don't care for either team. But, as an athlete, the fact the Seahawks lost the way they did was ridiculous. No justice at all.

[PeanutButter]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

Look at the replay again. Butler knocks Lockett away in order to get his hands in the ball. This rookie stepped up big time.

Anyways, it's a moot point. Terrible play call by Seattle's offensive coordinator.
They should have let Lynch run the ball into the end zone. -also still had a timeout remaining.

Regardless of the play call, Russell should have called an audible and went with his man #beastmode.

In my opinion, this is Russell's fault. What an idiot. He should have known better.

[murd0c]

any given Sunday, it could of worked and everyone would of said genius call but in this case it didn't work and sucks to be Hawks fans. After seeing the Pats lose two previous Super Bowls I don't think I could of handled another loss in the big game

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by PeanutButter

^If you think Brady or anyone else on the Patriots had no idea on the ball pressure, you're living in lala land.

Game was complete shit today. I don't care for either team. But, as an athlete, the fact the Seahawks lost the way they did was ridiculous. No justice at all.

It's not about justice. -just a play call on a high risk throw to the end zone for the TD. It's the coach's fault for that decision.

-definitely agree with Emmitt Smith:


‏@EmmittSmith22
That was the worst play call I've seen in the history of football.

Hindsight is 20/20. If New England didn't get first downs in order to get two TDs in the fourth quarter, we would be witnessing a SeaHawks repeat. The game wouldn't have come down to the 1st and goal from the 1 yard line.

It didn't happen. What surprised me is that Seattle defenders couldn't stop the Patriots in the fourth quarter. Edelmann, Gronk, and Amendola were able to get extra yards on defenders after catching passes. The league's best defence could not stop the Patriots' TD drives in the late stages of the game.

[fliptuner]

I think they mentioned that Lynch was something like 1 of 5, running the ball in from inside 2yds. Maybe that was the defensive coordinator's reason for passing. I mean they still could've run it with a different player but that may have played a role in not giving Lynch the ball, specifically.

[SkinnyPupp]

[Gumby]

Even my wife, who knows nothing about football, asked me why they didn't just run the ball in.

[InvisibleSoul]

Why even bother playing the real game anymore?

Just simulate it with Madden 15.

?Madden? Super Bowl Simulation Eerily Correct, Predicted 28-24 Patriots Win | Super Bowl | NESN.com

In fact, “Madden 15″ correctly predicted that the New England Patriots would beat the Seattle Seahawks by a score of 28-24.

But that’s not where the creepiness ends. The game also predicted that the Patriots would rally from a 24-14 deficit in the third quarter (check), that wide receiver Julian Edelman would score the go-ahead touchdown (check) and that quarterback Tom Brady would be named Super Bowl MVP (check).

[SkinnyPupp]

A passing play itself wasn't bad... They had 3 downs but only what 10 seconds and 1 timeout? It made sense to try a passing play. The specific play they called is what's bad about it. A slant right into the middle like that... Just stupid.

Also neither Seahawks player performed that play like they were trying to win the super bowl either. Was it Lockette? He was just muscled off the ball, despite being way bigger than the back who intercepted.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

A passing play itself wasn't bad... They had 3 downs but only what 10 seconds and 1 timeout? It made sense to try a passing play. The specific play they called is what's bad about it. A slant right into the middle like that... Just stupid.

Also neither Seahawks player performed that play like they were trying to win the super bowl either. Was it Lockette? He was just muscled off the ball, despite being way bigger than the back who intercepted.

They had 21 seconds left. Not 10, and yes 1 timeout.

You don't pass when you have 3 downs left, and you are within inches. Offensive coordinator is an idiot.

I saw lynch line up as a WR in real time, and I knew right away this wasn't good, but I still thought that he would cross underneath and they would run it. When he ran forward I knew it was stupid, when the interception came, the bar I was at at WSU just went completely silent.

As for lynch not being effective, that's bullshit, even in that game where lynch was getting shot down a bunch, he almost never lost yards. even in the 1st quarter where Wilsons passing yardage was -2, lynch had rushed for like 40 yards.

As for the blame and hate on Wilson himself, as much as I had wished he hadn't run the play, you have to understand that this kid is not a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, I know for a fact those guys would have recognized the idiocy and called an audible and run the ball. This is only wilson's 3rd fucking year, he's still a kid, we hold him to higher standards because of his record, and the fact that he won last year. We hold him to higher standards because he is so god damn talented, but the truth is he's still a kid, and he still doesn't have the free reign a player like Manning has.

Believe me though Wilson will be back, this kid is a fucking force, to prove that, Seattle was already picked as best odds for winning the SB in 2016, at 5-1.

It's going to be a long offseason, and we unfortunately will be seeing a really different team fielded next year with all the contracts needing to be established this year, unfortunately for seattle they have been living in a dream world with Wilson making rookie money, and playing as an all-star QB. You better believe that he is not going to be settling for 850k after what he has done the last 3 years.

[punkwax]

Stupidest playcall in Super Bowl history. I still can't believe it..

[InvisibleSoul]

There's plenty of blame to go around for the Seahawks, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it was an incredible interception.

Look at where Butler is just before the ball was tossed:



How in the hell did he get there for the interception?!

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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/russ...malcolm-butler

[SkinnyPupp]

The more I th ink about it, the more I think it wasn't that bad of a play call. It was an aggressive one, maybe more than it needed to be. But these are the Seahawks we're talking about. Also Lynch hasn't been that great this season for 1 yard TDs anyway.

It was something that most teams wouldn't have done (how many would have gone for a TD with 6 seconds left?) but more importantly it was a combination of a great defensive play along with a not such a great pass (and the Patriots knew exactly what the play was going to be).

In hindsight, it looks like such a terrible call by the coaches, but if Russ had thrown it low, it would have been a TD and we'd be talking about how aggressive Pete Carroll is, and how that play won them the super bowl.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

The more I th ink about it, the more I think it wasn't that bad of a play call.

No. you are over thinking it. It was a terrible play call.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by meme405

No. you are over thinking it. It was a terrible play call.

No, I'm just being rational and not just jumping on the bandwagon. I think it was more a combination of a bad offensive play and a good defensive play, than a bad play call.

Even the best QBs in the world (like Tom Brady) made bad plays that game, perhaps on good calls. This was one at the most inopportune time.

If they handed it to Lynch 3 times and got stuffed 3 times, maybe those wouldn't have been bad calls, but they wouldn't have worked either. This was a higher risk, higher reward play call, they just didn't deliver.

[murd0c]

Originally Posted by meme405

No. you are over thinking it. It was a terrible play call.

It was only a terrible call because it didn't work

[punkwax]

No. It WAS terrible because it was only 2nd down. You run it on 2nd and 1 ESPECIALLY with Lynch on your team.

No other way to view it. It was a terrible call.

Even if it did work, and it was close to working, people would have still said it was too risky and not the right call for the situation IMO.

[meme405]

Originally Posted by murd0c

It was only a terrible call because it didn't work

No, it was a terrible call because it opened them up to a lot more risk than necessary, at a time where they could have stood just a good of chance at scoring while protecting themselves from exactly what happened.

If lynch got stuffed on 2nd and then they threw it, then w/e, but to not even give the guy a shot at breaking through is stupid. It was his play who got them the first down they needed and began the whole rally that ended up with them at the 1 yard line. It was dumb.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by punkwax

No. It WAS terrible because it was only 2nd down. You run it on 2nd and 1 ESPECIALLY with Lynch on your team.

No other way to view it. It was a terrible call.

Even if it did work, and it was close to working, people would have still said it was too risky and not the right call for the situation IMO.

Lynch is 1-4 TDs this year from the 1 yard line, and they blew a timeout. This gave them the best chance to win the game, but it was intercepted. Had it been caught, there is no way in hell anyone would even dream of calling it a bad play. They would be calling it a bold, aggressive play, because that's what it was.

Had the play at the end of the half not worked, people would be calling that a bad play. But again, it was a risky play that paid off.

[punkwax]

The whole thing here is that it was 2nd down. They essentially had a free opportunity for Lynch to run it. He gets stopped, fine, take the risk and throw it on 3rd. No good reason he shouldn't have been given the opportunity on 2nd down.

[fliptuner]

If that play worked, I think most people's reaction would've been:

-WTF?
-Are they........passi...???
-YESSS!!!! TD!!!!
-OMG I can't believe they threw it on 2nd/goal, so risky

[meme405]

Even if you use your statistics to determine that lynch only had a 25% chance of scoring.

That 25% chance of scoring was 1 FREE opportunity. It cost them absolutely nothing to at least try and run the ball for one play, if that didn't work, then they would be probably 15 seconds left or whatever, and no more timeouts, then it becomes a choice of throwing, or try one more time for a rush. Nobody would be complaining by that point.

EDIT: Punkwax just keeps beating me to the punch. He is dead on.

[SkinnyPupp]

Pats had their run defense out, it would have been a good time to throw. It was just a bad offensive play by the Seahawks and a great defensive play by the Patriots.

Throwing in that situation was risky, I guess that's what makes it "wrong". If that's what you think, then fine...