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Old 08-19-2020, 06:48 PM   #16201
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To update the thread, I just took possession of my place in Delta. Commute to work is about 15-30 mins depending on rush hour. Worst thing is if ice bombs start talking on the Alex Fraser again.

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Some market updates on Presales and assignment condos...

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LOMA - $299K start 350ft no parking units. Realistically $400k one bed units + parking. Concrete/AC, similar offerings like Horizon 21 which is across the street on Lougheed/Blue Mountain.
Market's hot again - 30% sold on opening weekend.
SOCO Hot North tower - $350k one beds sold out in a few weeks at South Tower. This should be a good offering come November...

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Highline - Highline - Thind's new project besides Goldhouse / Metro Place. $1050/ft+ and higher, about 30% sold.
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RC - RC by Shape properties - very well done and heart of Richmond across from City Hall. $1100/ft realistically range, 5+ completion range.
Picasso/Richmond - Concord Gardens Richmond - great new presales and middle of whole bunch of skytrain station towers. Some great assignment ops here

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Anyone living around Port Moody, east of Moody St? I know there is that potash plant near Barnet Highway, but are they that noticeable smell/sound wise? Looking at some of the townhouse around this area.
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Anyone living around Port Moody, east of Moody St? I know there is that potash plant near Barnet Highway, but are they that noticeable smell/sound wise? Looking at some of the townhouse around this area.
The potash plant has been there for a long time. Whatever smells the plant produces hasn't been much of a concern for residents in the area.
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Had an apartment unit at Moody & St. John (on the north side of St John) in the past. Never noticed anything out of the ordinary from the potash plant. The real concern was actually the WCE / Evergreen line trains. You don't really hear the trains when they pass by, but you feel them as vibrations. You get used to them so it is a non-issue. However, my building's exterior wall developed some cracks. The strata suspected it was caused by a combination of build quality as well as the vibrations from the trains, but the developer sent someone to perform an inspection, and determine that the building envelope has not been penetrated, and that the cracks were merely cosmetic. The strata and the residents were of course skeptical, but that was the structural report from the inspector.

I sold my unit right before this came up as a topic at the AGM, so I don't know how the situation turned out.

If the townhouse you're looking at is also on the north side of St John, the train tracks and its effects would be something to keep an eye out for, although I wouldn't necessarily say it would cause problems.
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Anyone living around Port Moody, east of Moody St? I know there is that potash plant near Barnet Highway, but are they that noticeable smell/sound wise? Looking at some of the townhouse around this area.
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As an alternate viewpoint, I bought and have lived in a wood framed building the past 5 years or so, and am very fortunate that either the building is well built and well-designed to isolate from noise, or that I have very quiet neighbours. The developer is Adera, and I can tell some thought was put into the design of it for noise transmission.

I am on a corner unit on third floor (out of four). Once in awhile I will hear stomping from my upstairs neighbours during football season, and once in awhile will hear voices from above/below, but total is probably less than a handful of times a year I am disturbed by it.

Although it was a bummer at first but now appreciate it, is the fact that our strata does not allow hardwood floors to be installed to avoid noise issues, although some units have been grandfathered in when they had them installed prior to the bylaw.

Considering at the time the price I paid for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1200+ sqft unit, I am very happy with the decision.

Speaking of, does anyone have any experience with the newer Ledingham Mcallister's low rise condos? Seems like most of them have that thin layer of concrete as part of the subfloor. Does that make a difference in sound transmission?
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So far as I know, all buildings whether they're woodframe or not (at least the ones I've ever seen being built) have a concrete layer in between the different floors.

So I would say no, it's nothing special about that builder.
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We never used a self-leveller like that in our town homes but generally no, it doesn’t add too much in terms of sound transmission.
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All of my past Vancouver residential condo projects (architectural side) that were wood frame or CLT for the sub-floor had a small concrete layer. So that's pretty normal.
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To reduce sound transmission, you need to mass load (which lowers the resonant frequency), absorb energy, and/or break up sound waves. I would imagine a thin layer of concrete between floors isn't going to make much of a difference.
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Ah man, that's disappointing! Will the sound transmission be terrible?



This is the cross section, obviously we're armchair-guessing right now but I'm curious what you guys think.
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11 (resiliant channel) and 12 are quite important, those two alone knock off around 10dba,

Every 10dba you knock off, its about 50% quieter.

I would disagree about the concrete. 1.5" of concrete is a mass load...... 1.5" of concrete is probably worth 5" of drywall

I would look up the STC of every material, and judge for yourself
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11 (resiliant channel) and 12 are quite important, those two alone knock off around 10dba,

Every 10dba you knock off, its about 50% quieter.

I would disagree about the concrete. 1.5" of concrete is a mass load...... 1.5" of concrete is probably worth 5" of drywall

I would look up the STC of every material, and judge for yourself
Oh I see, gotcha. Yeah I looked up the STC and IIC ratings, but at the end of the day to me this is like a chef who's never touched food before. No matter how much research I do I'll know less in comparison to someone who's actually worked with or lived in a similar setup before. Regardless I should have came to you guys earlier! Thanks a lot!
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my understanding is that sound transfer mitigation is dependant on the build of the building (wood vs concrete) and the noises (high freq/low freq). It's all in the joint assembly detail and materials used to specifically mitigate sound transmission (and flanking).

You can't use the same material the same way in a wood frame vs a concrete building - they behave differently. You can spend a lot of money thinking you're doing something with little to no results if not designed properly, and the opposite with a good detail/design.

Then you get in to what most people probably hear, impact noises from contact with the floor (i.e. hamster upstairs playing a game of full court basketball)...i.e. IIC as noted above.

all this stuff is over my head, i just look at STC/ASTC ratings and let people smarter than me figure it out
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Not sure if this has been posted before but the City of Vancouver has an entire manual on noise control in new builds which includes diagrams of different solutions with STC and IIC ratings. Sections 7.8 and 7.15 deal specifically with party-walls and floors:

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