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In vancouver weather when its NOT snowing, is it really necessary? I don't think so. All seasons will be sufficient
It might be sufficient, but come crunch time chances are you will end up stuck or sliding into the back of the other car who just stopped.
The videos thumper posted proved that winter tires make a difference in even just the rain, and not just a slight difference either.
AND FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME, THEY ARE WINTER TIRES, NOT SNOW TIRES, AND ICBC SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. SO STOP BEING LAZY AND/OR CHEAP AND GO GET YOURSELF A SET. WITHOUT THEM YOU AREA HUGE HAZARD TO OTHERS ON THE ROAD.
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Originally Posted by BoostedBB6
Heavy SUV's tend to not fair well in the city when it comes to snow. Sure they have weight to get the initial traction, but it is that weight (momentum) that makes it harder to stop.
This is so true. I have very good winters on my car, and when it snows I still have to drive extremely defensively, because there is a lot of other cars who can stop more quickly then me. My car simply has so much weight to slow down that it just takes more time than other cars... I mean at the end of the day we are talking about a car with a curb weight well over 4000lbs.
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Here is a PDT showing what roads REQUIRE you to have winter tires (have the snowflake on the side). If you do not have these tires on them you are not legal for driving on that road. If you are involved in an accident you are 100% at fault, and will not be insured.
If anyone crashes into me in the snow and I see no snow flake I will sue you out of house and home....and be warned, if my kids are in the car the lawyer is the least of your worries. GET WINTERS ON YOUR CAR!!
If you cant afford winters YOU CANT AFFORD TO DRIVE IN VANCOUVER. Go buy a bus pass.
Where are winter tires and chains required on BC highways?
There are Regulatory Signs (R047) posted in various locations on numbered highways throughout the province.
The R-047 Regulatory sign “Use Winter Tires or Carry Chains – Beyond This Point – October 1st – April 30th“ when placed upon a highway will prohibit vehicles from being driven or operated on a highway that are not equipped with winter tires or chains beyond that point when enforced by the police, ministry or other enforcement officials.
R-047
R-047 Sign
W-041
W-041 Sign
The W-041 Warning sign when placed upon a highway is to inform motorists that winter driving conditions can be expected on provincial highways from Oct 1st -Apr 30th. Therefore, motorist should be properly equipped with appropriate winter safety equipment between Oct 1st – April 30th, and may be prevented from proceeding on highways which have R-047 regulatory signs “Use Winter Tires or Carry Chains – Beyond This Point – October 1st – April 30th“ placed upon the highway.
Click on the maps below to see the regional highways requiring winter tires and/or chains. See also Tires and Chain-up Information.
Are there any regulations in B.C. that deal with winter tires?
See BC Motor Vehicle Act - (Chapter 318 - Part 3)
Safety equipment
208 (1) For the purpose of this section, “winter tire” means a tire that is
(a) advertised or represented by its manufacturer or a person in the business of selling tires to be a tire intended principally for winter use, and that provides, or is designed to provide, adequate traction in snow or mud; and
(b) in the condition respecting tread wear and other particulars the regulations prescribe.
(2) The Minister of Transportation and Highways may, by public notice or by placing signs, prohibit vehicles from being driven or operated on a highway that are not equipped with chains, winter tires or sanding devices, or a combination of these the minister considers adequate and necessary in view of prevailing road conditions.
(3) For the purposes of a prosecution under this section, the onus is on the defendant to prove that a tire alleged not to be a winter tire is in fact a winter tire.
See BC Motor Vehicle Act – Motor Vehicle Act Regulations - (Division 7 - Other Equipment)
Winter tires
7.162 A winter tire as defined in section 208 of the Act shall have not less than 3.5 mm of tread depth across the surface of the tire in contact with the road.
[en. B.C. Reg. 161/76, s. 1; am. B.C. Reg. 343/77.]
Are studded tires permitted on BC highways?
Yes, from October 1st to April 30th. Use of studded tires outside of this period may result in a fine.
See BC Motor Vehicle Act – Motor Vehicle Act Regulations – Section 19.03
See BC Motor Vehicle Act – Motor Vehicle Act Regulations – Section 20.
What are tires with a “severe winter service” rating?
Winter-Rated Snow Tires
Tires marked with the pictograph of a peaked mountain with a snowflake meet specific snow traction performance requirements, and have been designed specifically for use in severe snow conditions.
See Transport Canada - Safe Vehicles
There are all kinds of vehicles: cars, trucks, vans, school buses, scooters, motorcycles and more. All of these have to share the road, together, so it is important to understand what is different about each type and why all vehicles must be safe and well-maintained.
See Transport Canada - Winter Tires
What tires do you need for your driving conditions?
How many winter tires should be used on a car?
To help maintain control and stability of your vehicle in icy conditions, Transport Canada and the Rubber Association of Canada recommend that you install winter tires in sets of four.
See Transport Canada - Winter Tire Safety Tips
Does your ministry have information on winter driving in B.C.?
Here is a PDT showing what roads REQUIRE you to have winter tires (have the snowflake on the side). If you do not have these tires on them you are not legal for driving on that road. If you are involved in an accident you are 100% at fault, and will not be insured.
If anyone crashes into me in the snow and I see no snow flake I will sue you out of house and home....and be warned, if my kids are in the car the lawyer is the least of your worries. GET WINTERS ON YOUR CAR!!
If you cant afford winters YOU CANT AFFORD TO DRIVE IN VANCOUVER. Go buy a bus pass.
Your insurance doesn't get 'voided' if you drive without winters. You'll just be more likely to be assessed fault and/or have an increase in premiums as a result.
Straight from their site:
Will driving without winter tires void my insurance?
No. Driving without winter tires will not void your insurance if you have a claim. It also won't mean you're automatically at-fault in a crash. However, if you get in a crash where winter tires could have helped, not having them may affect whether—or how much—you are at-fault.
i don't know why you guys are so adamant about winter tires, i think it depends on your lifestyle too. i'm mostly just back and forth richmond-vancouver-burnaby on all seasons and i've experienced zero slippage. of course when it snows (like yesterday and today) i take the bus but for black ice and heavy rain in winter, all seasons are more than adequate.
Your insurance doesn't get 'voided' if you drive without winters. You'll just be more likely to be assessed fault and/or have an increase in premiums as a result.
Straight from their site:
Will driving without winter tires void my insurance?
No. Driving without winter tires will not void your insurance if you have a claim. It also won't mean you're automatically at-fault in a crash. However, if you get in a crash where winter tires could have helped, not having them may affect whether—or how much—you are at-fault.
Thats true, they word is PC.
Speaking from experience (an ex who crashed 7 times in winter months). Your insurance is not void, but you will be 100% at fault, and you will be sited as driving a vehicle that is unsafe for the driving conditions. AKA, you pay out your nose, your rates go way up and you get a bucket load of tickets and points.
So yes, you are correct, you still have insurance.....but you may wish you didnt.
The total for those 7 accidents (including the points, tickets and raised rates) was over $70k.....she had to declare bankruptcy.....needless to say she was not bright....but my life is ever since she left it hahahaha
i don't know why you guys are so adamant about winter tires, i think it depends on your lifestyle too. i'm mostly just back and forth richmond-vancouver-burnaby on all seasons and i've experienced zero slippage. of course when it snows (like yesterday and today) i take the bus but for black ice and heavy rain in winter, all seasons are more than adequate.
You must have not read anything that was posted.
No they are not "adequate" as the compound they are made of becomes VERY hard. If you were to need to stop suddenly you would have a significant increase in the stopping distance because of this. This is why winters are made out of a soft compound that does not harden as much when its cold.
You are taking a risk every time you drive in cold temps on all seasons. Many people do, and many people will only ever run all seasons but when it comes to a situation where you need to stop quickly you will find out that hard way that winters are the educated choice when you experience colder temps.
You must have not read anything that was posted.
No they are not "adequate" as the compound they are made of becomes VERY hard. If you were to need to stop suddenly you would have a significant increase in the stopping distance because of this. This is why winters are made out of a soft compound that does not harden as much when its cold.
You are taking a risk every time you drive in cold temps on all seasons. Many people do, and many people will only ever run all seasons but when it comes to a situation where you need to stop quickly you will find out that hard way that winters are the educated choice when you experience colder temps.
so for more than 15 years when i've been on all seasons during winter, i guess i must have been dreaming or extremely good luck that i haven't experience any slippage or accidents or even close calls? and why would i need to stop suddenly? winter driving you have to drive cautiously and give yourself time to brake so i'm not in that situation where i have to suddenly stop.
i know winter tires are definitely recommended but i don't understand ppl's mentality that if you don't have them, gtfo the road, for MY driving needs and lifestyle, all seasons are all i need.
so for more than 15 years when i've been on all seasons during winter, i guess i must have been dreaming or extremely good luck that i haven't experience any slippage or accidents or even close calls? and why would i need to stop suddenly? winter driving you have to drive cautiously and give yourself time to brake so i'm not in that situation where i have to suddenly stop.
i know winter tires are definitely recommended but i don't understand ppl's mentality that if you don't have them, gtfo the road, for MY driving needs and lifestyle, all seasons are all i need.
Congratulations, many people do things that are not advised to do so in this world and do it for there entire life with no problem.
Only takes one time, one mistake, one time you go a little to fast or one time that a person other than yourself does something stupid and you need that extra traction.
Do what you like, but at the end of the day you put your own life/car/money on the line.
Your driving needs are point a to point b, no different than my own. I can just appreciate my family's safety as well as the safety of others on the road.
Honestly if he's smart enough to park it when it snows, and drive carefully to account for the conditions then it's fine as long as he doesn't hit anyone. Personally I just like to know that I'll be able to drive my car around in almost any condition.
The only thing is that I'll have to insist that there is no way all seasons will be able to deal with ice. You'll have all the control of a hockey puck sliding forward or spinning out. There's not even a guarantee that winters'll solve that problem, but most of them will provide a little more control than AS.
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On the flip side, way too many people are so overconfident because they have winter tires. YOU CAN'T DRIVE LIKE IT'S DRY AND 30c WHEN THE ROAD IS SNOW COVERED!
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Ahhhh, the annual pissing match: to run snows vs. good enough to run A/S
Always entertaining.
The funny part is that it not really a pissing contest.
Its more like;
post1: Uninformed person asks about winter tires
post2: Informed person tells them the ins and outs
post3: Cheap person tries to justify running all seasons by saying we don't get much snow, they can drive just fine etc etc
Last I checked, they are called WINTER tires, not snow tires. They are made for cold weather as all seasons can not function properly in the lower temps. The facts are there, if people want to keep telling themselves they know better than the billions invested into R&D for winter tires then so be it but WHEN you wreck, you better only take out yourself and not some poor sap in another car because you were to cheap to run the proper tires for the road conditions.
And the comment about people being over confident....thats an understatement haha. I see it all the time, guy puts snows on his car and things its like driving in the dry....slides into a curb on the first turn,
and why would i need to stop suddenly? winter driving you have to drive cautiously and give yourself time to brake so i'm not in that situation where i have to suddenly stop.
Its called an emergency stop for a reason, it can't always be avoided.
Driving defensively is great, and if you stay off the roads when it snows thats awesome too. But just because you have not had an incident does not make what you are doing intelligent by any means. It just means that you are committing a stupid act intelligently...
meh
my mentality when it comes to winter driving in the city and the winter tire vs AS debate
if your car is that precious...don't drive it when it's below freezing and/or snow/ice on the road...which if you think about it is only 1 week a year in Vancouver.
yeah winter tires are so much safer blah blah blah...you can only do so much on your part...all it takes is one person to lose control and go sliding right into your car. I drive very defensively when there's snow but I know in the back of my mind that the chances of an accident is still significantly higher than it is on a dry surface because of other drivers that drive too fast/doesn't leave enough safety space etc
meh
my mentality when it comes to winter driving and the winter tire vs AS debate
if your car is that precious...don't drive it when it's below freezing and/or snow/ice on the road.
yeah it's so much safer blah blah blah...you can only do so much on your part...all it takes is one person to lose control and go sliding into your car.
Lol. That makes zero sense, it has nothing to do with the value of your vehicle or worrying about damage to your vehicle. It has everything to do with safety on the road.
Let me get this straight though; you do not put tires appropriate to the season on your car because other people are not running them on their vehicles and you figure they are going to lose control and crash into you anyways?
By your logic everyone should just neglect maintenance on all aspects of their vehicles because inevitably your car is going to get wrecked by some retard in a heap of shit. Lets all just stop changing light bulbs, you dont need headlights chances are someones going to rear end you anyways. New brake pads? Who needs those, some guy is just going to sideswipe you regardless.
What you keep seeing is cheap people trying to justify there cheapness. Its that simple.
These people try to talk there way out of needing winter tires based upon there lack o knowledge and assumption that they know what they are talking about. You are wasting your time trying to convince them otherwise. Just smile and nod, and when they post there "wrecked my car" thread in a month you can just sit back and hope that they learned that being cheap is rather expensive.
Still doing good out here in Saskatchewan with mud terrains (would be very very nice if they were siped though), lots of people rock all seasons year round. Then again, people are actually smart enough to throw in the towel and stay home when the weather sucks enough.
Lol. That makes zero sense, it has nothing to do with the value of your vehicle or worrying about damage to your vehicle. It has everything to do with safety on the road.
Let me get this straight though; you do not put tires appropriate to the season on your car because other people are not running them on their vehicles and you figure they are going to lose control and crash into you anyways?
By your logic everyone should just neglect maintenance on all aspects of their vehicles because inevitably your car is going to get wrecked by some retard in a heap of shit. Lets all just stop changing light bulbs, you dont need headlights chances are someones going to rear end you anyways. New brake pads? Who needs those, some guy is just going to sideswipe you regardless.
Yeah solid plan there champ...
i drive approriate to conditions...and drive extra cautious in poor conditions to ensure I can control my car and not slide into things.
the latter half of your argument is straw man
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Originally Posted by BoostedBB6
The facts are there, if people want to keep telling themselves they know better than the billions invested into R&D for winter tires
how many of the recommendations/articles/studies are done by manufacturers/tire shops? I'm not debating the significant benefits of winter tires but this is how informed practice works. Everyone's situation is different. I don't live out in higher elevations/rural areas where the main roads aren't getting cleared. If the roads are really icy and not being cleared I stay away from driving. Simple. It's a difficult concept for 90% of the RS members to understand because of how much they hate transit. The days that vancouver are below freezing for the AS tire to become rock hard are very limited. Of course the manufacturer is going to tell you to change even when the temps are still 10 degrees.
off topic...but do emergency vehicles even run winters?
Not too sure about the ambulamps but police vehicles all switch over and fire trucks are heavy enough (but when there is snow on the ground they chain up)
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