DOUBLE Fatal accident on Lions Gate Bridge

[noclue]

Does ICBC cover accidents like this? I know they deny it if the driver was under the influence but this was reckless driving. Cause whoever owns that car is going to get a huge lawsuit.

Scared for the registered owner (most likely parents)of the car if the coroner finds alcohol or drugs in the toxicology test.... Last thing they need while mourning is to get hounded by a lawyer.

[Roach]

RIP.

Having a tough time sleeping tonight thinking a couple of 20-21 year-olds lost their lives due to a mistake.

Perhaps it's so tangible because I went through that phase in my life. Luckily I lived through it.

Somewhere there's a mom, dad, bro/sis and countless friends who are sleepless too left with only memories.

Be safe dudes. Don't leave a wake of loss by making a poor decision.

Kev

[k3mps]

met TL and hung with him 2/3 years back, great guy.
lots of mutual friends....
RIP both

[felixy69]

T just bought the car monday, he even asked me if this was a good buy....i said Yeah $6900, low km, dealer, 6 months warranty sounds like a good deal....go for it..N..i woke up this morning and c this .....fuk....!!

[TypeRNammer]

Larry Chu is making smart ass remarks about this incident

Spoilered because Larry Chu

Spoiler!

[twitchyzero]

^ what a guy...it's a miracle he didnt' total his car yet...though that snow thread a few years back with pics of his smashed car was interesting

Originally Posted by Marco911

It is 70 km/h. Barring a day with poor conditions, if you feel scared driving the speed limit, perhaps transit is a better choice. If traffic is moving faster than the speed limit, and you are holding up traffic because it is only one lane in your direction and you feel compelled to drive at or below the speed limit with a long line of cars tailgating you, perhaps transit is a better choice.

I love the LGB. I don't think it is dangerous at all. The curves are gentle, and you have to be alert to stay in your lane or risk death. That's right - You actually have to be alert when you drive - what a concept. The people that think that roads need to be idiot proofed, are well, idiots.

speed limit is what it implies...A LIMIT...especially if the weather conditions are poor then yes I'll drive at a speed that I feel I can have good control of the car. Traffic is a part of life and if it means everyone getting to their destination in one piece...too bad you should've left work 5-10 minutes earlier if you knew the weather sucks/gonna be travelling on a one lane street.

Why waste tax dollars on curve signs on the sea-to-sky...why put rumble strips on highway to prevent people from dozing off etc

We don't live in a perfect world. Not everyone knows the limit of their cars and not everyone has a reaction time of a teenager. Not everyone knows how to correct their steering when traction goes to shit. SHIT HAPPENS. and could happen even to the best of us.

Please watch the video posted a few pages back...a member almost got into a head-on collision because yes, people do make stupid mistakes that can cost lives.

[NBHD]

life is fragile..RIP

[TRDood]

Hard about this last night driving home at 2ish.

Lions Gate is pretty confusing during counterflow switches. Just like Massy Tunnel.

Sad to see this accident took 2 lives and the witnesses (especially the bus driver) have to live through the memories. The driver took his friend's life. No further comments for the driver.
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[TRDood]

Interesting...

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well
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[J.C]

yeah should be him
he was 18 at the time (dec 2009) and now is 2012 so 21.

[canali]

a poorly thought out comment below by NBPTL6o4;8094346

this is the same lame, bs argument used, for example, by an impaired or drunk driver who kills someone:
''hey i might have been impaired...but i didn't mean to purposely
slam into that car/persons, kill them and also their destroy their surviving family''
or it's used also by someone who texts and/or calls on their cell phone
when driving distracted and kills or hurts someone


having no INTENT is no excuse for GROSS NEGLIGENCE in a court of law.
(btw, some groups, e.g, 'families for justice' are even seeking penalty
upgrades to 'vehicular manslaughter'
for particular driving fatalities caused by neglectful drivers)

ever heard of making responsible choices before you get behind the wheel, dude?

so yeah imo any actions that endanger the lives of others on the road by your impaired or drunk driving,
or distracted driving (texting, cell calling)or speeding (or being negligent) ARE just that:
stupid, selfish and irresponsible.

save it for the track or your video games

you're in charge of a 2000-3000 lb fast moving car among many other cars
(with many drivers, some of whom are new...or are distracted...or are just plain bad drivers)
so if you're distracted or negligent your car can so quickly become a killing machine.

and now these two young guys have had their lives tragically snuffed out...
and their surviving family members (and friends) are gutted with grief.

btw...just heard over the news some alarming new stats which show that the
most distracted drivers are now teens and young 20 somethings ...
and the main culprit? not only texting but also checking in and updating their
facebook status on their smartphhones, when behind the wheel
...can you fucking believe it?

lastly, the deceased have been identified:
http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2012/11/29...ims-identified
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QUOTE=NBPTL6o4;8094346]callin the deceased idiots because of 1 mistake that costed em their life? really? you cannot called em on their "selfish stupid behaviour" because of this. its not like they PURPOSEDLY crashed to fuck with everyone's physical, mental and emotional state. It sucks that they died but its a big mistake and they paid the price. I don't understand why you would come into this thread and call their actions stupid and call them idiots in the end.. if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all, and i know you wouldnt give a rat's ass, but i for sure will never go to rise auto now because of ur remarks, get some public relation tips online or some shit, you look like a real jackass now and for friends and friends on RS and wherever that know em, you got my full support if you need to talk or anything im here for ya, ive lost many friends over the years and i know how painful it is, keep ya head up guys[/QUOTE]

[GabAlmighty]

Good thread, would definitely read again.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by TRDood

Interesting...

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well
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so these guys were drug dealers?

[4444]

Originally Posted by Marco911

I'm actually a long time North Shore resident, and when I first started driving the LGB, the bridge and causeway were way narrower, the road surface was a rough concrete mix rather than asphalt and the speed limit was 60 km/h. Traffic mostly moved at a crawl.

One of the main reasons of looking for a better solution than LGB was due to congestion. Like you, many people wanted more lanes. In the end, the government went the least costly route and refurbished the bridge with the same 3 lanes albeit wider. Everyone thought it was ridiculous at the time that we were spending a lot of money but ending up with the same 3 lane bridge. Along the way a strange thing happened. Congestion actually DECREASED markedly though there are more vehicles that use the LGB than ever.

The reasons is because the bridge became wider, the causeway was paved, and people felt safer to drive FASTER. Hell, they even increased the speed limit by 10 km/h but most people drive 80 or 90. That increased the 'flow' rate through the bridge thus reducing congestion significantly. We also saved having to buy a whole new bridge with 6 lanes as you suggest and having to pay for it by tolling residents.

All the people who are calling for driving at slower speeds (and holding everyone behind them back) are affecting the efficiency of this wonderful crossing. If you cannot keep up with the flow of bridge traffic, take the 2nd narrows or the Seabus or something. Closing the middle lane at night only means that the maximum speed/flow rate on the bridge will never be faster than the slowest vehicle on the bridge at any given time. This is a terrible solution.

Improvements are great, but we should have better, if we truly are a world class city

And traffic flow may be better, but sitting on Georgia or by park royal for 30-40 mins waiting for traffic to crawl along isn't good enough when it's because of a split 3 lane bridge, especially for the number of north shore residents

I'm not sure why I'm the only one who wants better for this shit whole of a city, maybe it's the English in me - mind you, watch what that did to my country, we fucked that one up real good

[H.Specter]

WE ON TV.

[gdoh]

Originally Posted by H.Specter

WE ON TV.

?

[Phil@rise]

I see the majority of you understand or see the point I'm trying to convey and a good portion of you question my timing as a matter of respect decorum etc.
When is a good time to have a hard nosed approach on the subject? In a week or two when people have calmed down almost forgotten and the bodys are in the ground?
Some of you may think that a better approach but the best way to make an impact and in this case get these guys to slow down is to shock them with reality while its fresh, very fresh.
Its very apparent to me after reading this whole thread just how many associate and make what they believe valid excuses for this type of disregard for personal and public safety. "Its a new car rip it up" or "its a new car they handle well". Hence my approach.
If my asshole bluntness can get thru to one person then I've done my due diligence. I think I've gotten thru to a few more then one.
These two were idiots for endangering the lives of dozens of people. The fact they payed the ultimate price does not change that fact.

[canali]

i say go to 'best gore' and look at the automobile thread for carnage.
...we need more of those sorts of high shock value pics to really drive home what reckless driving can bring about...
(too bad the news services' pics are so sanitized in what is shown...and I understand why of course, due to respect for the families...but...)

then show the emotional devastation of the surviving families and their heartbreak to really bring the message home.

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Originally Posted by Phil@rise

I see the majority of you understand or see the point I'm trying to convey and a good portion of you question my timing as a matter of respect decorum etc.
When is a good time to have a hard nosed approach on the subject? In a week or two when people have calmed down almost forgotten and the bodys are in the ground?
Some of you may think that a better approach but the best way to make an impact and in this case get these guys to slow down is to shock them with reality while its fresh, very fresh.
Its very apparent to me after reading this whole thread just how many associate and make what they believe valid excuses for this type of disregard for personal and public safety. "Its a new car rip it up" or "its a new car they handle well". Hence my approach.
If my asshole bluntness can get thru to one person then I've done my due diligence. I think I've gotten thru to a few more then one.
These two were idiots for endangering the lives of dozens of people. The fact they payed the ultimate price does not change that fact.

[gdoh]

i dont know if that will work ive seen a lot of gore and its just one of those things that is in the back of your head but never think it will happen to you. i think it is just a matter of growing up and realizing the danger of your actions, but for most its just to late before it happens

[canali]

reluctantly agree, to some extent, which is sad.

when you're young you think (naively) that you're invincible.

Originally Posted by gdoh

i dont know if that will work ive seen a lot of gore and its just one of those things that is in the back of your head but never think it will happen to you. i think it is just a matter of growing up and realizing the danger of your actions, but for most its just to late before it happens

[Mining]

R.I.P ..... im going to miss the old days with you. We are bringing the gang back together for old times sake in remembrance, hope you are watching over us.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by TRDood

Hard about this last night driving home at 2ish.

Lions Gate is pretty confusing during counterflow switches. Just like Massy Tunnel.

Sad to see this accident took 2 lives and the witnesses (especially the bus driver) have to live through the memories. The driver took his friend's life. No further comments for the driver.
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There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision.

[4444]

Originally Posted by westopher

There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision.

you do realize we live in vancouver, where drivers are FUCKING RETARDS, so from that perspective, i think the majority of vancouverites find it complex...

red, green... what is this, traffic signals.... oh wait...

[Tim Budong]

im really curious to know what the hell happened...
since the fucking bridge is a trainwreck and something like this is bound to happen and it has happened.

[canali]

darthchilli, this tragedy has been in the news the last few days....see any of the local papers.
richmond now, van sun, province.

but don't blame it on the bridge ....

westopher is bang on.
"There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision."

Originally Posted by darthchilli

im really curious to know what the hell happened...
since the fucking bridge is a trainwreck and something like this is bound to happen and it has happened.