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dared3vil0 02-05-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8152332)
the chances that it's winter vs. summer difference is minimal - this is a huge decrease in economy.

the winter/summer argument is also slightly nullified by saying that colder air in winter makes for higher O2 density, thus increasing economy (hence why so many have CAI)

likely a sensor is bad/needs cleaning, so go to a shop accordingly if you don't know your sensors/how to test/clean them

By the same token that higher 02 density increases efficiency, It also increases drag on the car itself... Therefore DECREASING economy. :suspicious:

gars 02-05-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8152332)
the chances that it's winter vs. summer difference is minimal - this is a huge decrease in economy.

the winter/summer argument is also slightly nullified by saying that colder air in winter makes for higher O2 density, thus increasing economy (hence why so many have CAI)

likely a sensor is bad/needs cleaning, so go to a shop accordingly if you don't know your sensors/how to test/clean them

I would've thought that the higher O2 density would mean higher fuel consumption because the ECU would use more fuel with the extra O2.

4444 02-05-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gars (Post 8152378)
I would've thought that the higher O2 density would mean higher fuel consumption because the ECU would use more fuel with the extra O2.

that's not how it works - to travel in the same manner, you would use less fuel as you are rich in O2

otherwise, why would you put a CAI in? its to get more power, due to higher efficiency, etc. so - taking the position that you wouldn't use the extra power, you would be more efficient, hence less fuel

MindBomber 02-05-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by see.lai (Post 8152200)
Thanks for the help guys.

I checked tire pressure bi-weekly. I have a short ram intake, but that's not really the point because I had way better mileage last year. Everything is the same, tires are the same as last year.

I will check the O2 as well then. I just didn't want to buy and replace if it wasn't the problem.

The 02 sensor on an RSX is rather expensive (by Honda/Acura standards).

If you have basic mechanical skills and can spare an hour or three; I would suggest removing and cleaning the IACV, TB and 02 sensor with carb cleaner or gasoline. Often a significant improvement in fuel consumption can be achieved this way, and it's virtually free. If you don't see a significant improvement, I'd suspect a failing 02.

S1 S2 02-05-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |<e|_ (Post 8152292)
Driving hard buddy? My sister gets about 480km - 500km+ on hers...then again she has a feather foot


Think I can get that too with stock cat back :badpokerface:

Is your sister selling her car anytime soon?

TypeRNammer 02-05-2013 07:31 PM

One of the ep3 people I know had a faulty o2 sensor, even though the check engine light didn't come on.

It was the first thing I suspected since it was only getting 340km per tank :heckno:

Ronith 02-05-2013 07:33 PM

clean ur maf

S1 S2 02-05-2013 07:39 PM

Alignment?

PJ 02-05-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8152448)
that's not how it works - to travel in the same manner, you would use less fuel as you are rich in O2

otherwise, why would you put a CAI in? its to get more power, due to higher efficiency, etc. so - taking the position that you wouldn't use the extra power, you would be more efficient, hence less fuel

Wut.

With a CAI, your MAF would sense more air flow, so your car uses more fuel to compensate for that extra air.
The extra air doesn't "take the place" of fuel.

CAI = more HP. not better MPG.

4444 02-05-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ (Post 8152538)
Wut.

With a CAI, your MAF would sense more air flow, so your car uses more fuel to compensate for that extra air.
The extra air doesn't "take the place" of fuel.

CAI = more HP. not better MPG.

nope, CAI = colder air = denser O2 in the air

it has nothing to do with airflow (that's not true, you do also get more airflow, assuming your stock system is low-flow, as most older american cars used to be, but that only helps give you MORE power)

higher O2 density in your air means more efficient burn of your fuel = more power from the same amount of fuel, vis-a-vis, less fuel used for the same performace

tiger_handheld 02-05-2013 09:31 PM

for a little while i was getting 11/12L / 100km (used to get 9.5/10L). Dumped in a bottle of Chevron fuel cleaner and now i'm back to 9.5/10 range.

Ronith 02-05-2013 09:36 PM

i think ur flux capacitor needs more blinker fluid

you can get a new flux capacitor here:

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PJ 02-05-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8152660)
nope, CAI = colder air = denser O2 in the air

it has nothing to do with airflow (that's not true, you do also get more airflow, assuming your stock system is low-flow, as most older american cars used to be, but that only helps give you MORE power)

higher O2 density in your air means more efficient burn of your fuel = more power from the same amount of fuel, vis-a-vis, less fuel used for the same performace

Are you basing this info from the box of your intake?

After the MAF, your air gets restricted by the throttle plate. So the only time you'd somewhat get "better" mileage with a CAI is when your throttle's wide open. This is how the intake manufacturers can make these claims of "better" mileage... But if you're throttle's wide open, you're likely on a highway... which you'd get better mileage on anyways.

The CAI mileage difference with city driving will be minimal. And by minimal, I mean your mileage will be slightly lower.

Sure, MAYBE even for the first week or so it might be a tad better, but ultimately your ECU will reset itself and default to "more air = more fuel."

Unless you have your system and ECU tuned along with your CAI specifically for better mileage, there is just no way a CAI alone can give you better mileage. More power, yes. But more mileage just doesn't make sense.

4444 02-06-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ (Post 8152776)
Are you basing this info from the box of your intake?

After the MAF, your air gets restricted by the throttle plate. So the only time you'd somewhat get "better" mileage with a CAI is when your throttle's wide open. This is how the intake manufacturers can make these claims of "better" mileage... But if you're throttle's wide open, you're likely on a highway... which you'd get better mileage on anyways.

The CAI mileage difference with city driving will be minimal. And by minimal, I mean your mileage will be slightly lower.

Sure, MAYBE even for the first week or so it might be a tad better, but ultimately your ECU will reset itself and default to "more air = more fuel."

Unless you have your system and ECU tuned along with your CAI specifically for better mileage, there is just no way a CAI alone can give you better mileage. More power, yes. But more mileage just doesn't make sense.

Ok, whatever you think


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