What would be a "good" price? 2013 Wrangler.

[tofu1413]

yep. full load pro-4x (bilstein shocks, skid plates, shorter final drive, aux lights, tranny cooler) is about 37k without incentives..... haha. 10k out of your price range!

although I do find it a bit more civilized than the jeep (no bias opinion, im not crazy into trucks)

[Brianrietta]

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

I want to heavily get into off roading

The regulars of the SUV/4x4 forum and I can help identify exactly what you need but firstly, what precisely do you intend on doing with the truck? Does it have to be a rock crawler/mud slinger/snow chucker/trail rider... Do you need storage capacity to be able to sustain longer trips/any trips? In order to go camping with more than two people and any amount of gear or just two people and a lot of gear you will need a trailer. I packed my Jeeps very efficiently and still was unable to carry the gear that I'd wanted. Keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

I don't like the Fj at all, Too expensive for me new, and i want a new truck this time around. And offroad a wrangler will always be better then an Fj. And the new wrangler is alot faster than an fj.

Offroad a RUBICON is approximately a match for an FJ Cruiser. Even comparing the two isn't really fair though. There will always be obstacles that suit a wider tracked or longer vehicle and obstacles that suit a small vehicle. There are places that an H1 will go that an FJ won't, and your mighty Wrangler will get stuck in places a $2000.00 Samurai will pass with ease. It's okay to say that FJ's are too expensive but they're every bit the equal of the Jeep (and I say that having happily owned many Jeeps over the years - yes I know I haven't owned a 2013 but the fundamental problems still exist: they're tippy, squirrely in slippery conditions if you have offroad tires thanks to the tiny wheelbase, lack of storage space, tradeoff between doors/roof off fun and not being coated in mud/bugs/etc, questionable secure storage space inside).

Originally Posted by akinari-kun

The FJ is much easier to live with, and significantly more tame on the road than the Wrangler. I'd highly suggest looking at certified pre-owned FJs over a new Wrangler any day.

I tend to agree. I feel strongly that the FJ will be a more reliable vehicle long term and I can't agree enough that they're much nicer to drive on road in terms of it's driving characteristics. The downside of no sunroof/removable roof are offset from an airflow perspective by the tailgate window which when I had down provided a ton of air into the cabin.

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

Fair enough. I'm driving an 07 FG2 right now... I'm not liking it. It's small, drones way too much for me even with stock exhaust, tired of not being able to go off road, and tired of getting stuck in 5 inches of snow. Wrangler just suits my needs i guess... Unless you wanted to hook me up with a 2013 Xterra for a similar price?

I don't even know what I'm rambling about anymore but I'll conclude with the Wrangler is an awesome vehicle but don't be fooled by the salespeople. Until you get into a Rubicon trim and/or upgrade a ton of stuff you aren't 'that' capable offroads. Remember that the Trail Rated emblem is on the side of the Liberty too. Although it's a beast offroads. To be frank if you want to do some serious offroading what you do is you keep your city driving car/suv/whatever and you build an older vehicle to your whatever your necessity may be. You could spend 25k on a Wrangler, 40k on a Rubicon, 50k on a Trail Teams FJ, or (generously) spend 5-10k on a 4Runner/Land Cruiser/1st gen Xterra/TJ/etc/etc/etc with 8k into mods and be more capable and you won't shed tears every time you scratch it or break something. Because you will break things. Anyways a stock Wrangler will probably take you more places than you may think but the upgrade bug will hit or a big rock will hit and I don't even know what I'm saying I'm pretty tired so yeah

[dared3vil0]

Originally Posted by Brianrietta

The regulars of the SUV/4x4 forum and I can help identify exactly what you need but firstly, what precisely do you intend on doing with the truck? Does it have to be a rock crawler/mud slinger/snow chucker/trail rider... Do you need storage capacity to be able to sustain longer trips/any trips? In order to go camping with more than two people and any amount of gear or just two people and a lot of gear you will need a trailer. I packed my Jeeps very efficiently and still was unable to carry the gear that I'd wanted. Keep that in mind.



Offroad a RUBICON is approximately a match for an FJ Cruiser. Even comparing the two isn't really fair though. There will always be obstacles that suit a wider tracked or longer vehicle and obstacles that suit a small vehicle. There are places that an H1 will go that an FJ won't, and your mighty Wrangler will get stuck in places a $2000.00 Samurai will pass with ease. It's okay to say that FJ's are too expensive but they're every bit the equal of the Jeep (and I say that having happily owned many Jeeps over the years - yes I know I haven't owned a 2013 but the fundamental problems still exist: they're tippy, squirrely in slippery conditions if you have offroad tires thanks to the tiny wheelbase, lack of storage space, tradeoff between doors/roof off fun and not being coated in mud/bugs/etc, questionable secure storage space inside).



I tend to agree. I feel strongly that the FJ will be a more reliable vehicle long term and I can't agree enough that they're much nicer to drive on road in terms of it's driving characteristics. The downside of no sunroof/removable roof are offset from an airflow perspective by the tailgate window which when I had down provided a ton of air into the cabin.



I don't even know what I'm rambling about anymore but I'll conclude with the Wrangler is an awesome vehicle but don't be fooled by the salespeople. Until you get into a Rubicon trim and/or upgrade a ton of stuff you aren't 'that' capable offroads. Remember that the Trail Rated emblem is on the side of the Liberty too. Although it's a beast offroads. To be frank if you want to do some serious offroading what you do is you keep your city driving car/suv/whatever and you build an older vehicle to your whatever your necessity may be. You could spend 25k on a Wrangler, 40k on a Rubicon, 50k on a Trail Teams FJ, or (generously) spend 5-10k on a 4Runner/Land Cruiser/1st gen Xterra/TJ/etc/etc/etc with 8k into mods and be more capable and you won't shed tears every time you scratch it or break something. Because you will break things. Anyways a stock Wrangler will probably take you more places than you may think but the upgrade bug will hit or a big rock will hit and I don't even know what I'm saying I'm pretty tired so yeah

Trust me, I'm not thinking a stock wrangler with those pathetic tires they come with are off road capable. I'm not going to be rock crawling, but i want to run some of the local trails, head out to stave, do some island wheeling i've seen/heard/read about, i NEED deep snow ability, i love the idea of no top and no doors, tire wise i'm going to be running a 33" DuraTrac, and a 2" old man emu lift. Most likely going to upgrade to 35" KM2's and a 4 inch TeraFlex lift, with ARB air lockers front and rear, and a warn 9000, possibly going to a dana 44 front. once i get this payed off, and a daily driver.

[dared3vil0]

Originally Posted by akinari-kun

Toyotas 4.0L V6 engines are rather loud, reminiscent of Ford's old 4.0L V6 engines, and unfortunately they're not too powerful, like you say. I guess it really depends on what you'll be using the truck for? The FJ is the all around more livable choice, whereas the Wrangler is a more "fun" choice.

Exactly.

[Brianrietta]

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

Trust me, I'm not thinking a stock wrangler with those pathetic tires they come with are off road capable. I'm not going to be rock crawling, but i want to run some of the local trails, head out to stave, do some island wheeling i've seen/heard/read about, i NEED deep snow ability, i love the idea of no top and no doors, tire wise i'm going to be running a 33" DuraTrac, and a 2" old man emu lift. Most likely going to upgrade to 35" KM2's and a 4 inch TeraFlex lift, with ARB air lockers front and rear, and a warn 9000, possibly going to a dana 44 front. once i get this payed off, and a daily driver.

Sounds like you've got a decent idea of it's perks and limitations. I haven't looked at new pricing since probably 09 so I really don't know the costing but I wouldn't expect until they start to clear out the 13's that you'd be able to get it too much lower. I dunno though. Good luck and see you on the trails!