Police Forum Police Head Mod: Skidmark
Questions & info about the Motor Vehicle Act. Mature discussion only. | | |
04-24-2013, 03:52 AM
|
#1 | no
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: home
Posts: 5,375
Thanked 6,067 Times in 1,224 Posts
Failed 221 Times in 85 Posts
| box 2 V.I. question - go to a Honda Dealership?
so.. i just got a box 2 VI for the first time in my life for having a car "too low"
i didn't know what to argue nor had any experience with vi's before, so i just complied with the officer.
however, i did just find out that VI for ride height is usually issued if any of the parts are sitting lower than the bottom of the wheel.. well..none of my parts are lower than my wheel and i still got a vi for the ride height? what can i do about this? dispute it?
with that being said, he issued me a v.i with a strict instruction that says "go to a Honda dealership"
Question is, do i strictly HAVE to go to a Honda dealership for this as instructed? or can i just disregard and go to a v.i. inspection shop or even a different dealership that does v.i.?
|
| |
04-24-2013, 06:55 AM
|
#2 | WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Surrey
Posts: 7,854
Thanked 7,085 Times in 1,923 Posts
Failed 202 Times in 90 Posts
|
VI's are non-disputable iirc
Not sure if you HAVE to go to Honda though Posted via RS Mobile |
| |
04-24-2013, 07:39 AM
|
#3 | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Maple Ridge
Posts: 654
Thanked 279 Times in 95 Posts
Failed 47 Times in 13 Posts
|
I have seen this with other people (Only Honda Owners) being told they “HAVE” to go to a Honda dealership on the VI they receive as well.
Interested to see an answer for this as well.
Side note, where were you when you got the VI?
|
| |
04-24-2013, 07:43 AM
|
#4 | Old School RS
Join Date: May 2004 Location: Port Moody
Posts: 4,599
Thanked 4,045 Times in 1,233 Posts
Failed 129 Times in 79 Posts
|
All licensed inspectors are licensed in the same way. They are trying to bully you into going to Honda as they know Honda will be much less likely to cut you slack on little things. Take it to any licensed inspection shop, it will satisfy the requirement and you can continue on.
Mark
__________________ I'm old now - boring street cars and sweet race cars. |
| |
04-24-2013, 08:04 AM
|
#5 | My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 4,038 Times in 710 Posts
Failed 55 Times in 32 Posts
|
Doesn't your rear diffuser hang lower than the lowest part of your wheel? The law was made because in the incident of a tire blow out your wheel can still give you some sorta control.
I had a VI as well couple weeks ago, supposedly I would pass with larger wheel so the lowest point would be the bottom of my wheel instead of my lip or exhaust or something
|
| |
04-24-2013, 08:28 AM
|
#6 | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: May 2005 Location: #604
Posts: 2,267
Thanked 2,454 Times in 813 Posts
Failed 146 Times in 72 Posts
|
Height restrictions:
Bottom of wheel MUST be lowest part of the vehicle. (MVA 7.091)
Ground to headlight MUST be 56cm (22") or higher. (MVA 4.05.2)
Some cops are dicks and try to bully you by saying you need a "minimum of XX fingergap" yet there is NO section in the MVA that states this.
Yet they can still give a VI just for not liking you.
__________________ Quote: [17-03, 09:23] Amuro Ray is it normal for my dick to have things growing on it? | Quote: [15-05, 13:34] FastAnna You guise are like diet coke and I am the mentos
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna Incredible. How easy it is. | Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c I'm scared of spiders... When I see one I toss my cats at it | |
| |
04-24-2013, 08:41 AM
|
#7 | I don't get it
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 415
Thanked 54 Times in 28 Posts
Failed 12 Times in 4 Posts
|
subbin' for sum lovin'
__________________
'Someone once said; To air is human, to forgive is divine."
Snoop Dogg - Starksy & Hutch
|
| |
04-24-2013, 08:56 AM
|
#8 | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Maple Ridge
Posts: 654
Thanked 279 Times in 95 Posts
Failed 47 Times in 13 Posts
|
Just looking at the act, found this: Inspection of motor vehicles
7.08 The owner or the person in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer operated, or about to be operated, on any highway shall, upon the request of any peace officer, forthwith take the motor vehicle or trailer to the place designated by the peace officer and submit the motor vehicle or trailer there for inspection and testing.
How this makes any sense, I don’t understand, but I would interpret that as the officer does have the right to tell you where to take it to be inspected. That seems a little ridiculous to me……
|
| |
04-24-2013, 09:44 AM
|
#9 | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: PM
Posts: 4,477
Thanked 3,341 Times in 842 Posts
Failed 207 Times in 86 Posts
|
He doesnt have his diffuser on.
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by LSF22 Every time I'm there I usually see Jgresch's name under "Best Lap Times" | |
| |
04-24-2013, 10:10 AM
|
#10 | no
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: home
Posts: 5,375
Thanked 6,067 Times in 1,224 Posts
Failed 221 Times in 85 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by 91civicZC I have seen this with other people (Only Honda Owners) being told they “HAVE” to go to a Honda dealership on the VI they receive as well.
Interested to see an answer for this as well.
Side note, where were you when you got the VI? | It was on United Boulevard in Coquitlam Quote:
Originally Posted by swfk Doesn't your rear diffuser hang lower than the lowest part of your wheel? The law was made because in the incident of a tire blow out your wheel can still give you some sorta control.
I had a VI as well couple weeks ago, supposedly I would pass with larger wheel so the lowest point would be the bottom of my wheel instead of my lip or exhaust or something | sold the diffuser 2 weeks ago
|
| |
04-24-2013, 04:53 PM
|
#11 | My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 4,038 Times in 710 Posts
Failed 55 Times in 32 Posts
|
It really depends on the officer you get I guess, when I got my VI the officer stated that he "thinks" my car won't pass so he's gonna send me to inspection. Not gonna tow it but just have a notice in order.
As long as they consider it to be somewhat unsafe or have doubts they will send your vehicle to inspection
|
| |
04-24-2013, 05:51 PM
|
#12 | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burnaby
Posts: 4,074
Thanked 6,800 Times in 1,659 Posts
Failed 213 Times in 86 Posts
|
In before G-spec comments on racial profiling :P
Out of curiosity, if they send you in for a VI for one reason (being too low in this case), do they check only that, or do they make sure your car meets every single MVA rule?
|
| |
04-24-2013, 07:00 PM
|
#13 | no
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: home
Posts: 5,375
Thanked 6,067 Times in 1,224 Posts
Failed 221 Times in 85 Posts
|
I'm pretty sure you have to meet most of the MVA rule, depending on how strict the shop is i guess.
|
| |
04-24-2013, 08:25 PM
|
#14 | The Lone Wanderator
Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burnaby
Posts: 12,090
Thanked 4,367 Times in 1,137 Posts
Failed 192 Times in 75 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by jpark I'm pretty sure you have to meet most of the MVA rule, depending on how strict the shop is i guess. | If they believe you're breaking the MVA for one thing, but they find another, you fail.
It's not one thing, it's not most things, it's all.
|
| |
04-24-2013, 10:17 PM
|
#15 | private modder
Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Shore
Posts: 6,878
Thanked 2,838 Times in 802 Posts
Failed 47 Times in 35 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by 91civicZC Just looking at the act, found this: Inspection of motor vehicles
7.08 The owner or the person in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer operated, or about to be operated, on any highway shall, upon the request of any peace officer, forthwith take the motor vehicle or trailer to the place designated by the peace officer and submit the motor vehicle or trailer there for inspection and testing.
How this makes any sense, I don’t understand, but I would interpret that as the officer does have the right to tell you where to take it to be inspected. That seems a little ridiculous to me…… | This has been debated before and I believe 7.08 was written originally with the intention of giving officer the ability to direct you to move your vehicle to a safer place away from the highway so the officer can take a closer look. The intention was never to give officer's the ability to specific a repair shop to do the inspection.
Reading the section closely, the bolded words I think help support this original intention. Inspection of motor vehicles
7.08 The owner or the person in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer operated, or about to be operated, on any highway shall, upon the request of any peace officer, forthwith take the motor vehicle or trailer to the place designated by the peace officer and submit the motor vehicle or trailer there for inspection and testing.
In other words, the officer can order you to immediately move the car to a place he/she says, where he/she can inspect the vehicle right there.
Last edited by Eff-1; 04-24-2013 at 10:23 PM.
|
| |
04-24-2013, 10:21 PM
|
#16 | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 9,568
Thanked 3,604 Times in 1,216 Posts
Failed 236 Times in 60 Posts
|
Yup got a couple of those before, it's a bully tactic.
I still brought it to other shops and got my VI done.
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by The_AK Or you meet some girl at the club, cum inside of her, find out shes only in grade 12, so you buy a Prada bag for her to make things right, she finds out the bag is a fake and decides to have the kid | Quote:
Originally Posted by RX_Renesis wtf did she get some bolt-on titties or what?
they look sooooooooooo much bigger than they were 2ish years ago. | Quote:
Originally Posted by nns I can't stand the sound of Mandarin either. Boo yow nee bey nee shing bo now noong gey shee mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo. | |
| |
04-24-2013, 11:07 PM
|
#17 | Rs has made me the man i am today!
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LMD
Posts: 3,149
Thanked 232 Times in 74 Posts
Failed 7 Times in 4 Posts
|
If it's written on the N&O to take it to a Honda Dealership, most other licensed inspection facilities won't risk their licence to do the inspection and send the paperwork in when it clearly violates the N&O.
|
| |
04-24-2013, 11:51 PM
|
#18 | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,032
Thanked 2,165 Times in 594 Posts
Failed 131 Times in 61 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by inv4zn In before G-spec comments on racial profiling :P | I'm not sayin shit in the police forum anymore.... all the venting I have done in here apparently offended an anonymous Rev Scener enough to the point where he actually went and crept on my mom's facebook to find a picture of me, and put me up on the Dirty.com...... gotta give it to the guy though, the comment was some hilarious shit about how I was stealing RevSCene's wheels and flipping them on Craigs List, lol
and it always depends on the cop, I just got caught in a speed trap the other day and shot the shit with the two cops about the car, both told me they absolutely had no issues with my car visually but they said they could see how some officers would... just two stand up guys not bullshitting anyone.... we need more cops like that
__________________ (oO:::\___/:::Oo) (DPE-wheels) // Satin Cocaine White |
| |
04-25-2013, 05:27 AM
|
#19 | RS Peace Officer
Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver Islan
Posts: 3,867
Thanked 1,636 Times in 683 Posts
Failed 64 Times in 27 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Eff-1 This has been debated before and I believe 7.08 was written originally with the intention of giving officer the ability to direct you to move your vehicle to a safer place away from the highway so the officer can take a closer look. The intention was never to give officer's the ability to specific a repair shop to do the inspection.
Reading the section closely, the bolded words I think help support this original intention. Inspection of motor vehicles
7.08 The owner or the person in charge of a motor vehicle or trailer operated, or about to be operated, on any highway shall, upon the request of any peace officer, forthwith take the motor vehicle or trailer to the place designated by the peace officer and submit the motor vehicle or trailer there for inspection and testing.
In other words, the officer can order you to immediately move the car to a place he/she says, where he/she can inspect the vehicle right there. |
This was discussed here before. My opinion, and that of several experienced career Traffic Members is that you shoud do what the inspection order says and that we have the authority to designate a specific location. This was done to prevent cars getting passed by inspectors who did not do proper inspections. Others here disagree about that authority and that is their opinion.
I don't see why you just don't do what the order says? If your car will pass as you say it will then why not take it to a Honda dealer? It sounds like you know your car will not pass if it is inspected by someone who knows Hondas...or at least that is the impression you are giving me. If it will pass anywhere then it will certainly pass at the Honda dealers.
|
| |
04-25-2013, 07:29 AM
|
#20 | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Abbotstan
Posts: 20,721
Thanked 12,136 Times in 3,361 Posts
Failed 1,848 Times in 413 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by zulutango I don't see why you just don't do what the order says? | Because they're called "stealerships" for a reason?
Seriously, I have yet to have work done at ANY dealership that wasn't a complete botch job in one way or another. I wouldn't trust the average dealership mechanic to inspect a P&J sandwich.
On the other hand, that could be beneficial for a VI... "Hmm, limo tint on the windshield and HIDs in an '89 CRX? Yeah, seems legit..."
Edit: come to think of it... has that section of the regs been updated recently? I'd swear it's different than when this has been debated before. Look up some previous threads on the subject and compare the quoted section - it was VERY ambiguous before... now, not so much.
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzira Does anyone know how many to a signature? | .. Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianrietta Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?" | |
| |
04-25-2013, 08:00 AM
|
#21 | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Maple Ridge
Posts: 654
Thanked 279 Times in 95 Posts
Failed 47 Times in 13 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by zulutango I don't see why you just don't do what the order says? If your car will pass as you say it will then why not take it to a Honda dealer? It sounds like you know your car will not pass if it is inspected by someone who knows Hondas...or at least that is the impression you are giving me. If it will pass anywhere then it will certainly pass at the Honda dealers. | The issue is how well does the Honda dealership know the MVA and what actually is written up as illegal? Unfortunately I seem to know more about some Hondas than some of the dealerships I have been to.
I have heard of people being failed for simply having after market parts on a car. I have heard of people passing with parts that I am sure are not road legal.
I think people are starting to find it frustrating that this whole process is so badly managed. From the officers who don’t understand what they are looking at and so send people for a VI (which really seems like an automatic fine, guilty or not you are paying for the inspection because the officer that hands it out is uneducated on what they are looking at) to the seemingly wide interpretation of the laws, back to different things passing or failing depending on where you go to have it looked at.
So people want to go to a shop they know they can trust, not necessarily to get them to pass, but one that wont BS them simply because they don’t understand the regulations, and will give them suggestions other than “it’s not stock, it failed”.
|
| |
04-25-2013, 09:03 AM
|
#22 | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: May 2005 Location: #604
Posts: 2,267
Thanked 2,454 Times in 813 Posts
Failed 146 Times in 72 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by 91civicZC I think people are starting to find it frustrating that this whole process is so badly managed. From the officers who don’t understand what they are looking at and so send people for a VI (which really seems like an automatic fine, guilty or not you are paying for the inspection because the officer that hands it out is uneducated on what they are looking at) to the seemingly wide interpretation of the laws, back to different things passing or failing depending on where you go to have it looked at.
So people want to go to a shop they know they can trust, not necessarily to get them to pass, but one that wont BS them simply because they don’t understand the regulations, and will give them suggestions other than “it’s not stock, it failed”. | Yet when police go to school, just like with ALOT of professions, you don't learn alot. They don't go to school to learn what parts would be illegal, and what is legal. By experience, they will know what is stock and what looks like a modification. Lots of people could assume that "just because it's different" it could mean that it is illegal some way or another.
It's a terrible system that I'd love to have all cleared up, because there are lots of reputable companies that make parts and jump through all the hoops the "DMV" sets.
__________________ Quote: [17-03, 09:23] Amuro Ray is it normal for my dick to have things growing on it? | Quote: [15-05, 13:34] FastAnna You guise are like diet coke and I am the mentos
[15-05, 13:34] FastAnna Incredible. How easy it is. | Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c I'm scared of spiders... When I see one I toss my cats at it | |
| |
04-25-2013, 09:29 AM
|
#23 | no
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: home
Posts: 5,375
Thanked 6,067 Times in 1,224 Posts
Failed 221 Times in 85 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by 91civicZC The issue is how well does the Honda dealership know the MVA and what actually is written up as illegal? Unfortunately I seem to know more about some Hondas than some of the dealerships I have been to.
I have heard of people being failed for simply having after market parts on a car. I have heard of people passing with parts that I am sure are not road legal.
I think people are starting to find it frustrating that this whole process is so badly managed. From the officers who don’t understand what they are looking at and so send people for a VI (which really seems like an automatic fine, guilty or not you are paying for the inspection because the officer that hands it out is uneducated on what they are looking at) to the seemingly wide interpretation of the laws, back to different things passing or failing depending on where you go to have it looked at.
So people want to go to a shop they know they can trust, not necessarily to get them to pass, but one that wont BS them simply because they don’t understand the regulations, and will give them suggestions other than “it’s not stock, it failed”. | nailed it
|
| |
04-26-2013, 12:07 AM
|
#24 | private modder
Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Shore
Posts: 6,878
Thanked 2,838 Times in 802 Posts
Failed 47 Times in 35 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by zulutango This was discussed here before. My opinion, and that of several experienced career Traffic Members is that you shoud do what the inspection order says and that we have the authority to designate a specific location. This was done to prevent cars getting passed by inspectors who did not do proper inspections. Others here disagree about that authority and that is their opinion. | As long as the shop is a certified gov't inspection facility, then that should be enough for the public to make their own choice of shop. If officers are seeing certified shops with inspectors who are not doing proper inspections, why aren't you going after the shops themselves for violating the rules? Instead of blaming the public for this and placing a burden on them.
|
| |
04-26-2013, 12:59 AM
|
#25 | I subscribe to Revscene
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria
Posts: 1,978
Thanked 185 Times in 129 Posts
Failed 11 Times in 5 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by zulutango This was discussed here before. My opinion, and that of several experienced career Traffic Members is that you shoud do what the inspection order says and that we have the authority to designate a specific location. This was done to prevent cars getting passed by inspectors who did not do proper inspections. Others here disagree about that authority and that is their opinion. | I think the key in this section is the term "forthwith". A VI order doesn't require that the vehicle be immediately moved to a specified location for inspection.
Notice how this section leaves out references to "inspection facility".
|
| | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:30 AM. |