The Iphone 5S/5C/etc Thread

[!Yaminashi]

How long do you need to press your finger on the scanner for? Is more than 3 seconds?
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[LiquidTurbo]

Watch some stuff on youtube. It's much faster than that. looks like 0.5s.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I don't think it's a complete gimmick. It's just the first to use what I think most manufacturers will have eventually.

It is certainly better than entering a code, and probably the reason you don't lock is because of having to enter a code (I know that's why I don't use one! If I had a fingerprint scanner I would use it).

The one problem I can see with the touchID is that only or another person have their finger scan in can use it. I have friends co-workers use my phone all the time. When they ask for my ID (I use pattern on my note 2) I just tell them is a Z. Pretty easy to unlock but the touchID I have to manually unlock it which can get annoying......

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

The one problem I can see with the touchID is that only or another person have their finger scan in can use it. I have friends co-workers use my phone all the time. When they ask for my ID (I use pattern on my note 2) I just tell them is a Z. Pretty easy to unlock but the touchID I have to manually unlock it which can get annoying......

YOu have to set up a # lock.

After 3 failed fingers it will ask for #.

[Hehe]

I got the iPhone 5S for my wife and my brother in TW.

TouchID works flawlessly. I tried probably over 10 times, and each time it was able to recognize the print within a sec. You just rest your finger on it as you were about to press the home button, and voila.

The phone is amazingly fast. Everything just flows smoothly even with all the crap my wife has on her iPhone.

Overall a very solid phone. But Apple needs to open up the TouchID to really show the potential of the new feature. Otherwise it will become a gimmick.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

TouchID is such a gimmick. While a nice feature, it certainly isn't worth upgrading from an 5.

(Especially if you don't lock your phone)

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

[Lomac]

I'm sure I've missed this in the thread but can you have more than one person input their fingerprint? Or can it only be one?

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by Lomac

I'm sure I've missed this in the thread but can you have more than one person input their fingerprint? Or can it only be one?

Up to 5

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by dangonay

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

Yah gimmick was the wrong word. I meant, from everything I've seen about it, it is not really worth upgrading from a 5. It's not like the 5 was a slouch.

From a 4 or 4S, definitely.

I guess you could say the 5S is probably the most futureproof iPhone ever released.

When Siri was released for the 4S it was a useless POS. Only after 2 years after it's release is it finally useful. I imagine this fingerprint tech will take 1.5-2years to again mature and reach a point where it is useful for all..

As for now, just unlocking a phone, etc, it's just a cute feature. It's funny how we are too lazy to enter a passcode. It takes about the same time to enter.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by dangonay

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

Something tells me the reason Apple didn't launch the TouchID to third party was to wait out for any potential exploit/hacks...

Once those problems iron out, it would be very useful for not only protection, but ultimately recognition of users. If this lands correctly on i-device, it could be awesome. No more I have to stand my wife's music in my iPad.

But then again I'm sure all android manufacturers would have something like TouchID by next refresh.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dangonay

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

iPhone 6: Now with the NFC required to use Apple's amazing new payment system! Time to get rid of your 5s!

[ScizzMoney]

I'm just hoping they do something revolutionary like move the headphone jack to the top of the phone.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

Sure, just like hackers can steal your CC info, make duplicate debit cards, scan your cards with a portable NFC reader by standing beside you, steal your identity and open bank accounts in your name......

Might as well not ever bother to invent new technology since "it's just going to get hacked anyway".

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

iPhone 6: Now with the NFC required to use Apple's amazing new payment system! Time to get rid of your 5s!

Why do you assume it will require NFC?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Apple WWDC 2008 - iPhone 3G Introduction - YouTube

[dangonay]

Guy uses his cat's paw to "train" the Touch ID sensor and then uses it to unlock his iPhone.

Cat's paw Unlock

Apparently someone also trained their penis, though I'm not gonna bother searching for that one.


I think Tim Cook let something slip in his Business Week interview (they just published the entire transcript).

You know, the first time that you buy something with your finger, it’s pretty profound. It’s one thing to use it as security. This is really cool, and a lot of people will love it, because they open their phone multiple times a day. But the buying is even a more startling experience, in a way.

[dasani604]

Originally Posted by dangonay

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

Touch ID is used for iTunes/Appstore payments so CC is definitely possible. This is based on the trend that everything seems to start with iOS testing/approval anyway.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dangonay

Why do you assume it will require NFC?

What else would they use? Magic? Their janky hacked together bluetooth/wifi combo?

I suppose they could have it so it uses a data connection to log into a server run by the store, but that would be unreliable and slow. Good for a backup system if an NFC system goes down or something though.

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

What else would they use? Magic? Their janky hacked together bluetooth/wifi combo?

I suppose they could have it so it uses a data connection to log into a server run by the store, but that would be unreliable and slow. Good for a backup system if an NFC system goes down or something though.

From Google's developer page for Wallet:

The merchant can then use this information to process the transaction via their existing credit card infrastructure.

Some people read this and think "great, I can continue to process payments the way I always have without having to change anything".

When I read it I think "in other words, you haven't really come up with anything new."

For example, why would I tap my smartphone with NFC on a POS terminal when I can just as easily tap the credit or debit card I already have with me? Google themselves don't heavily promote Google Wallet as a contactless payment system utilizing NFC - they're pushing it more as an online payment system. Most of the information at their developer site is related to online payments.


I don't see Apple as just making a system that works with existing systems as there's no real benefit to them (no money to be made). Rather than deal with payment processors and modifying their iPhones to work with existing terminals I think Apple is going to become the payment processor themselves and your iPhone will be the terminal. Apple could make a small dumb terminal available to merchants and the smarts (and security) are done inside your personal device. Payments would go from Apple directly to the merchant after being authorized by you and the "dumb" terminal in store would provide the "authorization code/receipt" to prove to the merchant they got their money.

Why would merchants install another terminal? Because Apple would charge them lower fees than what they currently pay. Apple holds the world's largest database of account holders with credit cards (surpassing even PayPal or Amazon). It's approaching half a billion CC's. I don't know what Apple pays for fees to process credit cards, but it's a given that with their volume they've negotiated a great rate (far lower than any merchant ever could - unless you're Walmart or Target). They could charge small businesses a lower rate than they could get on their own while still making a cut of every purchase.

As for how to make the purchase, you could simply "bump" your iPhone against this terminal (or contact pad). The accelerometer in your iPhone detects this bump and immediately sends a Bluetooth request to the terminal which immediately responds. The entire exchange would only take a few milliseconds. The "bump" is timestamped and the timestamp is part of the encryption. This way if some criminal is trying to "snoop" the Bluetooth spectrum and record data of transactions they won't get anything useful since it's basically a one-time use code. Since the 4S came with BT 4.0 Apple already has a large installed base of devices that could do payments this way.

This may sound odd, but Apple already does this. You can "bump" your Apple TV with your iPhone and a very short Bluetooth connection is made which transfers useful information (WiFi SSID/password and Apple Store account ID/password) from your iPhone to your Apple TV to provide a "one bump setup" of a new Apple TV.


Of course Apple could do something completely different. But it's not hard to imagine a few possible (and easily implemented) scenarios that differ from current systems.

[boss_clad]

i just got mine, silver (my buddy told me the champagne was gorgeous, but i think champagne is perfect for girls) paid $1400usd to be the first in Nha Trang lol,

i must say, not bad, the ios7 is smooth with the new chip, camera is so much better, and the fingerprint feature is fucking awesome, it scans it immediately, like what liquidturbo said: 0.5s , you register your print one way, but you can scan it diagonally and such, it doesn't need to be exact finger placement

new ringtones and alerts and wallpapers, but the dynamic wallpapers suck balls, those lazy bastards give you like 6 options of the exact same shit, cept different colors like 5c,

i wouldn't suggest anyone get it right away, should wait a few weeks for the price to drop dramatically, but you should upgrade, it's a nice phone

i'm using the S4 as well and i prefer the ios7 over android os, it's smooth as chocolate x-lax

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by dangonay

Spoiler!

From Google's developer page for Wallet:


Some people read this and think "great, I can continue to process payments the way I always have without having to change anything".

When I read it I think "in other words, you haven't really come up with anything new."

For example, why would I tap my smartphone with NFC on a POS terminal when I can just as easily tap the credit or debit card I already have with me? Google themselves don't heavily promote Google Wallet as a contactless payment system utilizing NFC - they're pushing it more as an online payment system. Most of the information at their developer site is related to online payments.


I don't see Apple as just making a system that works with existing systems as there's no real benefit to them (no money to be made). Rather than deal with payment processors and modifying their iPhones to work with existing terminals I think Apple is going to become the payment processor themselves and your iPhone will be the terminal. Apple could make a small dumb terminal available to merchants and the smarts (and security) are done inside your personal device. Payments would go from Apple directly to the merchant after being authorized by you and the "dumb" terminal in store would provide the "authorization code/receipt" to prove to the merchant they got their money.

Why would merchants install another terminal? Because Apple would charge them lower fees than what they currently pay. Apple holds the world's largest database of account holders with credit cards (surpassing even PayPal or Amazon). It's approaching half a billion CC's. I don't know what Apple pays for fees to process credit cards, but it's a given that with their volume they've negotiated a great rate (far lower than any merchant ever could - unless you're Walmart or Target). They could charge small businesses a lower rate than they could get on their own while still making a cut of every purchase.

As for how to make the purchase, you could simply "bump" your iPhone against this terminal (or contact pad). The accelerometer in your iPhone detects this bump and immediately sends a Bluetooth request to the terminal which immediately responds. The entire exchange would only take a few milliseconds. The "bump" is timestamped and the timestamp is part of the encryption. This way if some criminal is trying to "snoop" the Bluetooth spectrum and record data of transactions they won't get anything useful since it's basically a one-time use code. Since the 4S came with BT 4.0 Apple already has a large installed base of devices that could do payments this way.

This may sound odd, but Apple already does this. You can "bump" your Apple TV with your iPhone and a very short Bluetooth connection is made which transfers useful information (WiFi SSID/password and Apple Store account ID/password) from your iPhone to your Apple TV to provide a "one bump setup" of a new Apple TV.

Of course Apple could do something completely different. But it's not hard to imagine a few possible (and easily implemented) scenarios that differ from current systems.

People are speculating the upcoming iBeacon's to facilitate payment transactions, along with indoor mapping.

[dangonay]

Someone in Germany (CCC) has unlocked an iPhone using the "fake finger" technique and posted a short video. However they won't qualify for the $20K prize since they only showed the unlock portion and not a complete beginning-to-end video of the entire process to prove continuity.

So the prize is still up for grabs for anyone who wants to try. Lomac?
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[k3mps]

long shot but anyone have word of when the next shipment of iphones arrive?
sold out everywhere

[LiquidTurbo]

iPhone 5S Touch ID Fingerprint Hack & iOS 7 Passcode Bypass - Major Security Flaws - YouTube

[Hondaracer]

the gold does look very nice but its not for me

disapointed the 5 didnt get the slow mo videos with ios7 :/