You don't have to apologize, you really don't

Just tying to be nice
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you don't have to be

I hear this alot from people that just assume that there is a big dude and strong he is on gear and only way to get big is that way
They are just butt hurt that's all
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Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything

I can appreciate someone who is big and strong, naturally, because they LOOK natural. Proportions, physical appearance etc. It is extremely obvious when you look at two people who are the same strength and size, to point out which one is not natural. But hey, if you like the disproportionate, acne infested, 2nd trimester gut, inverted testicle look.. who am i to judge.

not sure what your point it, these guys are 100% not natty...looks dont mean much

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...bbq_D0fppmlmww
http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/...hon14_t607.JPG

To the OP, 30 minutes is not enough. Someone posted 45 minutes to 1 hr, that is the IDEAL workout time (strength training) as overdoing it will start to burn muscle off.

I've gone from 170 of mostly bulk and gut down to 145. Changing my diet and focusing on form rather than pushing huge weights. I'm trying to get more of a lean look and live longer and be more fulfilled. Overall, I'm happy as I've done things I haven't done before because of my gut/back.