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Call cops, everyone stops with the cops in control - you think there will be a beating with a bunch of cops in control (cops might do beating, different story)
Of course you wouldn't stop and try to shake hands without cops there, clearly this situation just got majorly out of control far too quick.
HKS PWR's comment below pretty much sums up how I feel. Maybe we disagree on the outcome, but I think you are being way too idealistic. 10s isn't even enough time to get through to 911.
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Unlike the rest of us that's watched the video and had the time to process the event and then write about it, the driver only had about 10 seconds to make a basic physiological response/choice: fight or flight.
Fight: he's just be fucked around with (encircled by bikers, brake checked, and forced to stop in the middle of a highway). Stick around and try to reason with the rider and 100+ of his buddies??!!??! Mob mentality is not something I want to deal with, especially with my wife and child in tow.
Flight: run over a few bikes/bikers and get my family to safety. This is a reasonable response, given this situation.
If the driver's intentions were truly malicious, he could have destroyed half of the bikes in that video.
HKS PWR's comment below pretty much sums up how I feel. Maybe we disagree on the outcome, but I think you are being way too idealistic. 10s isn't even enough time to get through to 911.
Maybe you should read the NYP article posted on the previous page:
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The bikers were speeding and driving erratically in the northbound lanes when Alexian Lien, 33, called 911 to report them about 1:30 p.m.
The bikers then surrounded the Lien’s dark-colored Range Rover while it was heading north near 125th Street in Harlem, according to video captured by a camera apparently attached to a biker’s helmet.
One biker then pulled directly in front and slowed down, forcing the SUV to stop, and the others converged on the Range Rover, laying their bikes down on the pavement to block the vehicle.
The panicked dad then gunned the engine and ran over several bikes before speeding off with the pack in hot pursuit, police sources said Monday.
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I have tried to digest what I have seen/read to come up with an opinion...
Like the gentleman in the SUV, I own/drive a Range Rover Sport.
Like the people on the bikes, I own/ride a sportbike.
That said, my only experiencing with riding in a group is with people from RS... and their road manners and their ability to obey the law is uncanny... but I have seen enough YouTube videos to recognize that most "rides" aren't populated with people from Revscene but rather with individuals who spend their time pouring over content on NewAgeThugStuntazATL.com ... a very different mentality...
I cannot imagine the panic/fear the driver of the Range would have felt when surrounded like that... to have remained stopped on the freeway would likely only to have invited the same brutality that we saw later in the video... I will NOT fault him for attempting to flee. I highly doubt that Range driver would have done anything to provoke a conflict. The bikers on the otherhand.
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The thing that really gets me is, this guy already showed he was willing to run over bikes to get away... yet they swarm around him - and in front of him - again. Did they not think he'd be willing to run them over again??
The Darwin is strong with these riders...
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HKS PWR's comment below pretty much sums up how I feel. Maybe we disagree on the outcome, but I think you are being way too idealistic. 10s isn't even enough time to get through to 911.
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
Whether he ran over someone or not, is one thing, shit happens when you have loads of bikes buzzing like hornets harassing you.
My point is, stay on motorway at 30, 50 km/h, wait for cops to catch up, everyone stops, you don't get your head beaten.
Why he took the off ramp into the city boggles my mind, flat tire or not, insurance will fix it, but insurance won't pay to fix the mental anguish this guy and his family will have associated with what happened once they stopped.
The first run over was just par for this stupid course, the second one, we'll not sure why he slowed down, but my point is as soon as he feels he's in big trouble - call cops, stay on motorway, pray you can keep speed up.
If bikers keep one slowing down in front of him and he clips them, not really his fault, but i would never stop, I would do all I can to stay at speed, waiting for help... These imbosils cannot be trusted to not do something stupid/ crazy
I'm sure the NYPD and the DA will make examples out of some of the bikers involved because it seems like they were already in the bad books with the NYPD.
Fuck. I have absolutely no problem with bikers, regardless of if they're on a Harley Softtail Deuce or an R1. What I do have an issue with, however, is the stupid mob mentality a lot of riders tend to get when they're in large groups. It's the same reason I don't do cruises with a large group of cars anymore - someone is bound to do something stupid. On a bike, if you're cut off while riding by yourself, you get angry but chances are you're not going to brake check the offender and start raging on the driver. But if you're in a large group, even if you're not particularly bothered by something happening to you, the chances of someone else in your group taking offence to it grows exponentially and things can often nose dive from there.
Not to mention all the stupid stunting people tend to pull while riding in a pack.
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Shit, didn't know they smashed the passenger side window as well. Thankfully they didn't drag the wife out and beat her but it looks like cops arrested one biker...
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Police arrested one biker among a swarm of motorcyclists that forced a driver off the West Side Highway in Upper Manhattan, minutes before the man was assaulted in front of his wife and two-year-old daughter more than 50 blocks away.
Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, New Jersey, was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing in the first of two harrowing confrontations Alexian Lien had with a pack of bikers when he and his family were out for a Sunday drive.
Cruz was on a bike that cut off Lien’s Range Rover and slowed down in front of him as other bikers circled the vehicle as the horror show initially unfolded in Harlem, police said.
He was rear-ended by Lien around 1:30 p.m., sparking a half-hour confrontation that forced the driver over to the side of the road, where other bikers slashed the father’s tires and one enraged rider opened the driver’s door and tried to pull him out of the SUV, sources said.
Law enforcement sources said Cruz’ erratic driving sparked the melee.
Cruz was briefly hospitalized and released for minor injuries, including lower back pain, authorities said.
He remained at the scene and is not believed to be among 20 to 30 bikers who followed the family up the West Side Highway onto West 178th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue in Washington Heights. That’s where the Range Rover came to a stop because its slashed tires went flat.
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At least two bikers smashed the windows, dragged the father out, punched him and slashed him in the face and chest, sources said.
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Police released a photo Tuesday morning of two suspects in the assault and slashing, which sent the father to the hospital for stitches on his face and chest. Lien, who also suffered two black eyes, was treated and released.
Video from a camera on one of the biker’s helmets shows a man with a Guyana sticker on the back of his blue bike watching as another biker smashed Lien’s window with his helmet. It also captured a rider who has a black and white spider’s web pattern on the tail pipe jumping off and pummeling the SUV.
The footage stops before Lien is dragged out of the car, beaten and slashed but cops are looking for those two riders who appeared to be part of the mob that attacked the victim in front of his horrified wife and two-year-old daughter, sources said
I don't get why so many people think the SUV driver is partly to blame for this, I don't think the driver lost his temper, it looks to me like he was scared and fleeing the whole time.
If the SUV driver was raging, he would've ram those bikers chasing beside him left and right.
And do you really blame him for running like that?? The bikers were acting like a group of violent raging monkeys...
Lien, director of the e-commerce firm Skrill.com, was punched and slashed in the face with a knife in the shocking attack that occurred in daylight hours in front of horrified witnesses.
And cops don't magically appear once you call them, people can do a lot of bad things to you in 10 minutes...(articles said he called the cops before all this happened)
My point is, stay on motorway at 30, 50 km/h, wait for cops to catch up, everyone stops, you don't get your head beaten.
Why he took the off ramp into the city boggles my mind, flat tire or not,
It's easy for an experienced driver to see that with the benefit of hindsight and 5000 miles' separation from the incident. On the other hand, if you're an urbanite who probably dumped a bunch of money on a RR for the prestige factor and likely only use it as a Sunday driver... then when you find you and your family in a scene from Mad Max, all that's going thought your mind is probably, "this shit is crazy, I gotta get the fuck outta here." You're not plotting your course two miles ahead, you're not thinking about, "if I exit here, I might hit traffic", you're just looking for any "out" from the situation. He probably just saw the exit as a way to escape the bikes in front of him, and took it.
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From what I saw in that video and the way the riders were chasing brake checking and riding as dangerously as they were then to box me and my children in and attack us there would be alot of mangled riders. ALOT! Thats bullshit gang like strength in numbers aggression.
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It's easy for an experienced driver to see that with the benefit of hindsight and 5000 miles' separation from the incident. On the other hand, if you're an urbanite who probably dumped a bunch of money on a RR for the prestige factor and likely only use it as a Sunday driver... then when you find you and your family in a scene from Mad Max, all that's going thought your mind is probably, "this shit is crazy, I gotta get the fuck outta here." You're not plotting your course two miles ahead, you're not thinking about, "if I exit here, I might hit traffic", you're just looking for any "out" from the situation. He probably just saw the exit as a way to escape the bikes in front of him, and took it.
really? i guess it's just me then.
i don't see it as a experienced driver thing, i see it as a survival thing - two options, go into city, guaranteed red lights, stop, get beat, stay on motorway, less risk of stops, less risk of beats - i'll choose the latter option.
There's survival mode, and then there's full fucking panic mode, when the brain stops working rationally.
Rationally, he could have done what you suggest. Rationally, he could have done like Phil says and thinned the herd substantially. Rationally, he's driving a fucking 4x4 (pavement princess, but still...), there are probably a half-dozen ways he could have avoided the traffic, gone off the road, over some low medians, or other ways that at least some bikes couldn't have followed. Rationally, he would have realized that exiting the freeway would put him in heavy traffic.
I think it's pretty clear by this point that he was way beyond rational and into full fucking panic mode.
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Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?"
i don't see it as a experienced driver thing, i see it as a survival thing - two options, go into city, guaranteed red lights, stop, get beat, stay on motorway, less risk of stops, less risk of beats - i'll choose the latter option.
maybe it's darwinism/innate survival skills?
but i fully appreciate your point
arrogant much..?
have you ever been thru an interview or live debate, and afterward, thought you could've said a lot of things differently and given a much better answer than you did?
People can't make the best decision under pressure, he wasn't like you sitting at home infront of his computer when he had to make those decision.
Plus, there are a lot of good reasons to go inside the city
1) When you are being chased by a group of homicidal maniacs, your natural instinct is probably to go into a well populated area.
2) It is NY city, there should be cops every few blocks inside the city
3) His car tire is slashed, he has little control of his vehicle and could easily crash his SUV on the freeway and hurt his family.
4) If the bikes managed to stop him (or his RR breaks down), help will be few and far on the freeway. (inside the city you will have hundreds of bystanders who might help or at least act an a deterrent)
Going into the city might not be the best decision, but it is definitely not an unreasonable one.
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