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A few days ago, I posted a screenshot of my eWallet account showing over $125,000 deposited into it in one month. This was the amount of commission I made with My Top Tier Business.
While everyone on the blog congratulated me for the accomplishment, a few people on my Facebook fan page questioned the validity of the screenshot. A few even claimed the screenshot was a Photoshop job. To silence the critics, I decided to create a screencast video showing what’s inside my eWallet account. You can watch that video below.
The great thing about MTTB is they pay on a Net 15 day term. That means my next payment is only ten days away! Not having to wait 45 to 60 days for a payout is awesome!
Want to get in on the fun? Then go check out My Top Tier Business. You may not make $125K in a month, but I think it’s very reasonable to make $1,000 a month from it. In fact, it guaranteed. This program works so well that Matt Lloyd (MTTB Founder) will personally guarantee that you will make at least $1,000 in commissions within 30 days or he will pay you $500 cash! How do you say no to an offer like that?
Sure doesn't sound like you want to be conveyed as the owner of MTTB.
And here I thought this thread was over and done with. I guess I spoke too soon.
I'm pretty sure this PPPdiddy guy is also this Terry Me guy on YouTube. He's going around spamming every YouTube video he can find about MTTB saying Matt is fake and I'm really the owner. Why? I don't know.
I think he's more intending to hurt Matt than me by trying to take away what Matt has accomplished and saying he's basically a puppet.
For the record. I am not the owner. I wish I was because the company is worth millions. I joined as a licensee in September 2012. If you look at the MTTB company blog, you'll see it has posts going back to Feb. 2011, and I didn't show up in the blog until the Oct 3 2012 post. Now do I have influence in the company? I like to think so. After all, I am the highest earning licensee.
PPPdiddy or Terry Me, claims I met Matt at a Mastermind in San Diego and then started the company 3 months later. He is correct in that I first met Matt at a Mastermind in San Diego. It was at a ThinkTank in Del Mar. The thing is, this was in September 2012. Adding three months would mean the company started in December 2012. Yet, the company blog goes all the way back to Feb. 2011.
He claims that no "guru" is promoting MTTB other than me (for the record, I don't consider myself a guru). Yet, in the last MTTB contest, both Mack Zidan and Daegan Smith (which he cited as no longer promoting) are on the leaderboard. Both are gurus in this industry.
MTTB is owned by My Online Business Empire. The company was started by Matt Lloyd in Perth, Australia (where Matt lives). I'm sure someone who's bored can dig up the business license/registry/etc. to confirm all this. I have no interest in doing it. Anyone in Australia trying to purchase MTTB will find HST/GST added to the price. Any other country is sale tax free.
If you want to believe a hater with nothing better to do than comment spam YouTube videos and forums with lies, that's on you.
I thought this thread was over, but if you guys want to keep it going and make me more money, then have at it!
Also let this be a reminder that opening dupe accounts behind a proxy will at the very least get that user banned. In most cases, both accounts will be banned.
parm brought up how we shouldnt censor spam, though it was more directed to specific type of spam (correct me if im wrong)
if we react the same exact same way, that i normally do, that is, someone informs me of the thread, if no moderator has taken action yet, then i step in. this what we normally do.
then comes the backlash, members saying im being unfair, i shouldnt censor, so on and so forth.
this time, i am told of the thread, but i decide, lets let it ride. it isnt self promoting (til later on in the thread), now im being told i SHOULD have taken action.
you guys are hard to please. its almost as if dependant on topic, you would side it as spam, or not spam... so in essence, its ok for shops, not ok for 1 guy? (money aside)
in the end, this thread pretty much had its 15mins of fame, and has died, now its side tracking.
this thread went a little personal at some points (from what i have read) but what was surprising, it stayed some what civil. no real name calling, maybe some emotional outbursts, but at one point, difference in opinion reached a junction in which both parts apologized for "going a bit too far", thus then bringing it back.
and ps, depends where you lease, what you are leasing it for, and if its zoned already for what your purpose to use the lease. and if applied, local area allows for your lease of the area to be used for business to their liking, and or add value to the area.
like i said... this is an interesting thread. wont go down in history like christmas lobster hotpot, but still some noted points reached.
I don't know. I think we're kind of disconnected on two different aspects of the same subject.
On Spam
I'd actually say no, myself. Does my vote count? Absolutely not But why are people coming up with that spam feeling? Well, if if you are picking spiced ham out of your teeth, and you have that sinking regret that your sandwich came from a can, then chances are, you've had spam.
It's a little on the edge. There is also that nice feeling we're getting that he's being supported by a couple of mods, and another mod that asked questions got shut down pretty fast.
So it teeters between spam and legit convo, but lands on the side of legit convo.
Would shutting it down constitute censorship?
YES. That's my fear.
Now. That aside...Business itself
In my post, I combined them both and I shouldn't have, but I think both you and I were talking about the spam of the business and the business together. There are so many red flags shooting off about this stuff, its unreal.
The Wizard of Oz was written in the early 1900's, and people today still are afraid to peek behind the curtain.
"It's worth millions"
Then it cannot be worth millions to anyone else. It CANNOT.
It's a business selling businesses. Call it MLM, call it 2-tier, call it whatever you want..its something that sells to a person once...how many people in total will buy it? Especially when you now compete against every single active previous customer of the business? Then all these people are out there promoting it to get their 2k back and a little extra that you become one more voice. There are N O outside casual customers. No repeat business.
Picture a subway that sells no sandwiches. People line up at lunch to buy to buy their own subway restaurant franchise.
"You too can make money selling subway restaurants"
No one builds the subway restaurant and no one makes a sandwich.
Is that a business you'd buy into?
Is there going to be a guy that buys one after everyone else buys one that is interested, and he gets no line up in his store? YES.
This is exactly why I say John Chow is even scummier than porn dealers because at least porn dealers are selling a product that a customer buys. John Chow sells bullshit to idiots who are guillible enough to be taken for a ride.
Gridlock - I don't really quite get what you mean by it cannot be worth millions to anyone else. MTTB is a business, and like any business, it has a value to someone. Maybe not to you since you're not in this type of business, but the company is worth a lot of money. Anything that generates over a million a month in sales is worth a lot of money.
I'm not going to spend too much time with my response because I think we both got our message out and we're just going around in circles now repeating a lot of stuff. I just have three points.
1 - MTTB does have products. Over 3 dozen of them that licensees can sell. Of the $178,804.47 sales I did in the past month, 24 of them were licenses. At $1997 each, that comes to $47,928 in license sales. The rest came from other MTTB products. I've already posted some of those products in this thread. So yes, licensees are selling sandwiches in this Subway, and not just the Subway.
2 - Until you have actually gone through the system, everything you're claiming is just that. A claim. You haven't gone though it, so you don't know how it really works. You can say "it's like this or that" but you haven't experienced it so you really don't know.
I invite you, and anyone else, to separate fact from fiction by applying for MTTB. It's only $49, and it's refundable if you decide it's not for you. Do we have licensees who failed to make any money? Yes. Do we have licensees making tens of thousands a month? Yes. The difference is this is not a game of chance. You do the WORK, you will see the results.
3 - I like to make you the same offer I made to meme405 and Manic. Let's go for drinks the next time I'm in Vancouver. You asked some good questions, and I hope I've provided some good answers. I know in real life, you're probably a great guy, and I'm really not that bad to hang out with. If you don't want to go for drinks with me because you don't want to owe me, don't worry. The drink money is coming from the money you made me with this thread.
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Regardless if this is considered spam or not, whatever happened to the no referral policy in links? If TTZ wants to show us what MTTB sells or anything, shouldn't it come from a non referral link?
Users have been banned in the past for posting links that give some sort of kickback to the user.
Why not just do direct links as oppose to having a link that benefits yourself? That is where the spam comes from.
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apparently, freedom of speech does not exist on RS
I haven't been here for a long time. I am not up to date with the current policies. But I respect them, so I have removed the application link. Anyone wishing to find out more can visit the blog link in my sig.
A few days ago, I posted a screenshot of my eWallet account showing over $125,000 deposited into it in one month. This was the amount of commission I made with My Top Tier Business.
While everyone on the blog congratulated me for the accomplishment, a few people on my Facebook fan page questioned the validity of the screenshot. A few even claimed the screenshot was a Photoshop job. To silence the critics, I decided to create a screencast video showing what’s inside my eWallet account. You can watch that video below.
best way to shut up your skeptic is to post your CRA notice of assessment, or your business T2 return
When you apply for a loan or mortgage from a bank, they are not going to take your MTTB account summary or ewallet web printout as a proof of income either.
I don't think that's too much to ask for if you are expecting people to fork out $2,000 for a license which you claim made you millions of dollars.
all you need is probably to cross out your SIN# and perhaps the last few digits of your income for security purpose
Seen too many people/businesses who claim they make millions of dollars a year until you ask them for their tax slips, and it shows they make a fraction of what they claim
Wow, this thread is all over the place. It went from attacking John Chow to spam related polices and actions that RS mods should have taken, to ethics and legality of things and now asking for personal NoA or T2 return.
Who in the right freaking mind would post anything sensitive like that? Crossing SIN# and what not details out, still makes it a personal and private matter. It is no one elses business. I mean come on, would anyone ever post something like that on a public forum, let alone on the internet. I am going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that we all have common sense and this just simply doesn't happen.
I don't see why everyone is so hell bent in trying to claim what John Chow makes is fake. Does it really affect anyone on RS, or anyone else in the world at all? Hell no. It personally would make no difference if the guy above me or below me makes a million bucks a month. I suspect that everyone is just mad jelly and mad hating at the fact that John Chow is in fact making that kind of dough he claims. Do I personally believe he does or not? I actually don't care. It doesn't affect me one bit in any shape or form.
Wow, this thread is all over the place. It went from attacking John Chow to spam related polices and actions that RS mods should have taken, to ethics and legality of things and now asking for personal NoA or T2 return.
Who in the right freaking mind would post anything sensitive like that? Crossing SIN# and what not details out, still makes it a personal and private matter. It is no one elses business. I mean come on, would anyone ever post something like that on a public forum, let alone on the internet. I am going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that we all have common sense and this just simply doesn't happen.
well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..
If i tell ppl i make 100k/yr and they don't believe me...i am just going to say tough shit..i dont' care and I certainly won't post a bunch of photos of my account, or me holding some massive cheque and cash to prove anything
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I don't see why everyone is so hell bent in trying to claim what John Chow makes is fake. Does it really affect anyone on RS, or anyone else in the world at all? Hell no. It personally would make no difference if the guy above me or below me makes a million bucks a month. I suspect that everyone is just mad jelly and mad hating at the fact that John Chow is in fact making that kind of dough he claims. Do I personally believe he does or not? I actually don't care. It doesn't affect me one bit in any shape or form.
I guess this whole thing is like someone with a rice out civic coming to a meet and claim his car runs 10sec 1/4 mile with $2000 in mod...
are you surprise why so many people want to call him out on it?
well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..
If i tell ppl i make 100k/yr and they don't believe me...i am just going to say tough shit..i dont' care and I certainly won't post a bunch of photos of my account, or me holding some massive cheque and cash to prove anything
I guess this whole thing is like someone with a rice out civic coming to a meet and claim his car runs 10sec 1/4 mile with $2000 in mod...
are you surprise why so many people want to call him out on it?
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well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..
LOL no...he's been hell bent on defending himself and his name. Not proving that he has as a lucrative income. It just happens that one of the things people are flaming him for is his income or lack there of.
How did I know even after I watched this thread die, it would come back sooner rather than later.
Believe me, exactly what was eloquently explained by that blog was posted in this thread for the last 18 pages. MTTB has nothing to do with selling services, it has to do with selling MTTB to more people who can sell the product... SURPRISE THATS ALL IT IS. Yet because it wasn't posted in a blog, or because it was posted by RS, people chose to act stupid and continue to proclaim that MTTB is an "actual business" and that they have other products they sell. What nobody seemed to question was why the fuck would anyone need thousands of people making identical websites to sell the same products? Because as John points out, he and others high up in MTTB developed all the products and you don't have to make any content whatsoever...
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense, I don't see 10000 websites trying to sell me on the ShamWOW.
I developed a hatred posting for John Chow in this thread, but eventually realized he is not even the problem, sure he is a little arrogant and annoying, but the truth is the problem is the stupid people in this world...If you really believe that you can "get rich quick" you are wasting your time, and chances are if you continue to chase these schemes you will never make anything of yourself. Yet there are plenty of people on here willing to defend him saying "if he didn't do it someone else would", sorry but if the world worked entirely by that logic it would be a pretty shitty place. Morals have to come in somewhere a long the lines, and unfortunately most of the people offering these systems have absolutely none, they know that 9.9/10 people will never get even half of their money back from these "Businesses", but they don't give a rats ass. Who knows maybe in 20 years they will make a movie about John Chow titled "Praying on the desperate and penniless - The John Chow Biography ".
MTTB has nothing to do with selling services, it has to do with selling MTTB to more people who can sell the product... SURPRISE THATS ALL IT IS.
Even though I consider my "day job" of selling porn on par with selling toilet paper to people with diahhrea, helping them deal with a basic human bodily function, I never feel like I'm ripping anyone off. If you pay for a membership to an adult site, you get access to a massive library of porn to get off with. You actually get what I advertise.
MTTB disgusts me. John Chow uses all sorts of deception to cover up the fact that his "dot com" lifestyle is a scam. The product you're "selling" is simply a doorway into a pyramid-like scheme.
If you want to make money online, sell people weight loss products, hair cremes, porn, e-cigs, or any number of other products that really move.
If you want to promote your business for free on revscene and bypass actually paying just make a troll thread bringing up said business and let the discussion begin. Posted via RS Mobile
MTTB disgusts me. John Chow uses all sorts of deception to cover up the fact that his "dot com" lifestyle is a scam. The product you're "selling" is simply a doorway into a pyramid-like scheme
I don't know if that's accurate. John is quite up front with the fact that he makes money telling people how he makes money. That might be too meta for a lot of people to understand but basically he outlines the exact steps that he took to make money. He makes no guarantees that you can do the same because you obviously don't have the resources and connections he does but again, he did tell you exactly what he did. Whether or not you can pull it off...you probably won't but he's proof that you can.
And this works especially in America where everyone has little chance of making it rich but everyone wants to live the American dream. Is it predatory to market to these people? Why? You're giving them exactly what they're asking for. John wouldn't be successful if there wasn't demand for exactly the "product" he's selling.
Let's be real here. If I somehow miraculously found a way to game the system and find a shortcut to crazy amounts of wealth...
... why the F*CK would I go around to everyone and spout it out to everybody, including completely random strangers, within earshot?! Hell no, I'd keep that shit to myself, my GF, and my immediate family so the "loophole" doesn't get shut. I'd go with that secret to my grave. Maybe I am just a greedy mofo but I am pretty sure this is how most rational people would operate. And if anyone asks me why I have 2 Aventadors sitting in the driveway I'd tell them I sell drugs.
That should be the first indicator to anyone that this - and similar MLM pyramid schemes - are a complete fraud. If someone is telling you about it, they either really like you or want something from you. And in my own experience it's almost always #2 unless they are blood.
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But why are people coming up with that spam feeling? Well, if if you are picking spiced ham out of your teeth, and you have that sinking regret that your sandwich came from a can, then chances are, you've had spam. 
