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Old 12-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #101
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The 2015 Ford Mustang's slick styling will probably be the subject of numerous debates, but there's just as much going on underneath the sheetmetal.

For the Mustang's 50th year, the engine lineup will consist of a 5.0-liter V-8, a 3.7-liter V-6, and--for the first tine since 1993--a four-cylinder engine.

That four-banger is a new 2.3-liter turbocharged and direct-injected EcoBoost unit. It produces 305 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque, and will actually serve as the mid-range engine option in the Mustang lineup.

While Ford already has a family of turbocharged EcoBoost engines, this one has a new a low-inertia twin-scroll turbocharger--which the Blue Oval says quickens boost response--and a cylinder head with an integrated exhaust manifold, which has individual inlets for increased efficiency.

A small four-cylinder engine may seem like sacrilege in America's most iconic muscle car, but there really is nothing new under the sun. Ford offered the four-cylinder Mustang SVO performance model from 1984 to 1986, and offered a 2.3-liter four until 1993. Since then, tuners and high fuel prices have made small, efficient engines much more popular.

Of course, the Mustang lineup will still be anchored by a V-8. It's an evolution of the 5.0-liter "Coyote" unit from the last Mustang, producing 420 hp and 390 lb-ft. Improvements include a new valvetrain and cylinder heads, as well as a new intake manifold with charge motion control valves. These valves adjust airflow at low speeds, improving the air-fuel mixture for better fuel economy, idle stability, and lower emissions.

Ford says many of the improvements to the V-8 are the result of lessons learned from the Mustang Boss 302.

Base models will get a carryover 3.7-liter V-6, with an estimated 300 hp and 270 lb-ft.

Also new to the all-new Mustang (aside from a brief stint with a retrofitted system on the Cobra in 1999-2004) is independent rear suspension. Using an H-arm, an aluminum knuckle, toe and camber links, and inboard springs, the new suspension isn't quite the A-arm geometry you might expect of a performance car, but it should offer a marked improvement to both ride quality and handling compared to the previous solid-axle setup.

A Getrag six-speed manual transmission is standard equipment on the 2015 Mustang; a six-speed automatic with paddle shifters is optional. Expect transmissions with more gears in the future.
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2.3L I4 - 305hp
3.7L V6 - 300hp
5.0L V8 - 420hp

if the I4 will be available for North American markets, then why have the V6??
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:11 AM   #102
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hm. so the 4cyl turbo will be the midgrade and the v6 is the base. makes sense from a power standpoint i guess?

i wonder how fast can that automatic 6spd shift with the flappy paddles... no way it can match a single or dual-clutch manual would it? better than not having it at all...
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i wonder how fast can that automatic 6spd shift with the flappy paddles... no way it can match a single or dual-clutch manual would it? better than not having it at all...
from my experience of test driving various different types of transmissions, conventional automatics with paddles still have approximately a half second delay between the time you pull on the paddle to the time it actually shifts. Dual clutches are much faster and just as smooth but i'm sure drag racers will change the valve body in the automatic to make it shift faster.
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I thought I was looking at the 2015 Subaru for a second. I like the retro one posted couple pages back.

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hm. so the 4cyl turbo will be the midgrade and the v6 is the base. makes sense from a power standpoint i guess?

i wonder how fast can that automatic 6spd shift with the flappy paddles... no way it can match a single or dual-clutch manual would it? better than not having it at all...
The current V6 makes 305bhp, so the 4cyl will be more expensive and have the same power... Hmm...

And they're not changing the transmission itself, so the current/future trans (The 6R80) takes about 3/4 of a second from pressing the "up" button to the shift actually taking place at wide open.
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^I guess you pay a little for some better fuel economy!

That little 4 banger is nice.

The engine trim options remind me of a certain Korean car :P The Korean one needs a a v8 now
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I just wish they offered a faster shifting auto... Was expecting SOMETHING better in the trans dept this time around, and for the manual option they're carrying over with a problematic MT-82...
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im not a huge fan of the current car stylings to make them look more sleek and organic in a sense, i personally much prefer the current mustang cus its so much more angular and aggressive looking compared to this, the look makes it feel like a gt car instead of a muscle car.

but hey, i guess they gotta appeal to the masses eh?
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I just wish they offered a faster shifting auto... Was expecting SOMETHING better in the trans dept this time around, and for the manual option they're carrying over with a problematic MT-82...
in one of the videos it says the auto trans has a sport mode with better shift points, and that the paddle shifts has a rev match feature on the downshift?

thankfully my manual mt82 was built on a good day (or as some say the day they were handing out bonuses at the plant), but in the same video they said they had beefed up the clutch/flywheel and changed the synchros and supposedly has a better feel. hm. i need to test drive to believe this.

... but i don't understand the part about "double ball joint front suspension"
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in one of the videos it says the auto trans has a sport mode with better shift points,
The current ones have a sport mode too, if it's similar it's okay... It holds the gear longer which is nice, but it refuses to downshift under braking.
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ford loves to launch new trannys a year or 2 into a model cycle. dont know what they have in the pipeline but i wouldnt be surprised to see something different offered within 2 years of launch.
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The exterior is just okay for me... I like the current generation better, looks more aggressive more like a muscle car, the new one especially from the side, looks like an accord coupe, especially the small window.

I like the new interior. Not digging the new 4 cylinder turbo. I doubt it's gonna be much more fuel efficient than the v6. I actually like the fact that they are still selling the v6, I would get the v6 personally because it probably will sound better, no turbo lag. Just not a fan of small displacement turbos...
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The silver one in the introduction video looks sick!!!
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...Ford is making a FR sports car with a four banger turbo... Welcome to the 90's Ford!
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If I had the cash, I would totally pick the 4 cylinder turbo over the V8
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looks a bit better in that intro video

but still doesnt look like a sports muscle car more like a touring sedan/coupe or whatever you call the Audi A5
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...Ford is making a FR sports car with a four banger turbo... Welcome to the 90's Ford!
it will probably be most popular in the overseas market, where a v6 or v8 displacement will push it into an insurance bracket unaffordable to most looking into this class of vehicle.

but with the tunability of turbocharged setups these days i'm expecting tuners to generate big hp numbers compared to the other two engines.
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Got to say this car is pretty striking, and the lines....
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V8 or nothing.


2.3T kills the retro muscle car feel. They should of kept that engine for a luxury coupe like a fusion coupe or something.
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2.3T kills the retro muscle car feel. They should of kept that engine for a luxury coupe like a fusion coupe or something.
Performance of engine># of cylinders it has.
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I like it, but the current stang has me thinking it's the best one imo
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