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As someone who was speeding and hit the guardrails on a rainy day on the s2s i seriously disagree with raising the speed limit. It's such a windy narrow road. 80km makes the most sense, it's not a straight stretch of highway like marine drive(which only has a relatively short and misunderstood section of 80km speed limit.) More police speed traps would make sense. Last 2 times i went to whistler i didn't see a single cop on the s2s.
And another thing, why is there no bi-yearly safety inspections for older cars in this province? Back in alberta if you sold your car it had to pass a safety inspection in order to get it registered. That takes so many shitboxes off the road.
there hasn't been BC provincial inspections for passenger vehicles since the late 70's/early 80's i think? i can't remember the reason why for the cancellation of the program, but i would suspect it would be because of money and politics. the only time you would get a gov't inspection here is if you bought a vehicle outside of BC. and in this case the jeep had a washington state registration so it wouldn't have made a difference here, not knowing what condition it was in pre-crash.
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i don't claim to know anything about accident investigations, but the hood is intact on the cherokee which makes me think there was no frontal collision, but the driver's side rear is really messed up... how is this a head-on collision?
Looks to me like the jeep drifted into the oncoming lane sideways, and clipped the truck. The media will call it a head on collision to add effect, I guess technically they are not wrong as two vehicles travelling the opposite direction collided, but it is a little misleading...
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I wonder how this would of turned out had they obeyed the speed limit...
There is no proof yet that they were speeding, but you are right, I bet they were.
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As someone who was speeding and hit the guardrails on a rainy day on the s2s i seriously disagree with raising the speed limit. It's such a windy narrow road. 80km makes the most sense, it's not a straight stretch of highway like marine drive(which only has a relatively short and misunderstood section of 80km speed limit.) More police speed traps would make sense. Last 2 times i went to whistler i didn't see a single cop on the s2s.
You are exactly the idiot who the rest of us competent drivers have to cater to because you do not know how to control your speed.
Drive the S2S on a dry summer day and you will NEVER maintain an 80km/h speed. This is especially more evident by the fact that you didn't even abide by it on a rainy day.
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SPEED LIMITS ARE SET FOR OPTIMAL CONDITIONS, WHEN IT IS DRY & WARM. IF YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT SPEED LIMIT IN THE RAIN OR THE SNOW IT'S YOUR OWN PROBLEM WHEN YOU INEVITABLY CRASH.
And the vast majority of the S2S is not narrow nor is it all that twisty. The lanes on the S2S are actually designed to be 2.5' wider than any standard section of highway in BC.
While the S2S is not a straight stretch of road, it is certainly not located in an urbanized area like Marin Dr. in burnaby, nor does it have the cross walks, and red lights that marine does.
The Canyon portion of the 97C an the 97 which connects Merritt north up to cache creek and onwards up past williams lake, has a speed limit of 110km/h. Major sections of this road are FAR more twisty and treacherous than that of the S2S, and they face far more inclement weather than the S2S year round.
I can't believe people thanked your post, the only good portion of your entire post is that we need inspections of vehicles. The rest of it is complete farce.
RIP to Olivia Sonja Robertson and Valentine Leborgne.
I'm curious about the WA state registration. Odd that a vehicle registered in WA, being driven by Robertson (who was from Collingwood, Ontario). Leborgne was from Los Altos, California. The other two passengers are allegedly from BC. I wonder who's vehicle this is?
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As far as the general direction the thread is going, YES the speed should be raised on the S2S. Will it happen? Probably not unfortunately. That 60km/h section through Lions Bay is ridiculous and frustrating.
Furthermore, does anybody loathe it as much as me when everyone on the highway speeds up in the passing lanes? If you're going to go 20km/h faster in the passing lane then keep your speed going through the corners that follow.
And people say I'M dumb for buying a 1 ton. Have fun bouncing off me bitches.
As far as the general direction the thread is going, YES the speed should be raised on the S2S. Will it happen? Probably not unfortunately. That 60km/h section through Lions Bay is ridiculous and frustrating.
Furthermore, does anybody loathe it as much as me when everyone on the highway speeds up in the passing lanes? If you're going to go 20km/h faster in the passing lane then keep your speed going through the corners that follow.
^ something I can agree on here. I drive the S2S everyday and usually find forum internet drivers' opinions of the S2S comical.
And people say I'M dumb for buying a 1 ton. Have fun bouncing off me bitches.
As far as the general direction the thread is going, YES the speed should be raised on the S2S. Will it happen? Probably not unfortunately. That 60km/h section through Lions Bay is ridiculous and frustrating.
Furthermore, does anybody loathe it as much as me when everyone on the highway speeds up in the passing lanes? If you're going to go 20km/h faster in the passing lane then keep your speed going through the corners that follow.
You are exactly the idiot who the rest of us competent drivers have to cater to because you do not know how to control your speed.
Drive the S2S on a dry summer day and you will NEVER maintain an 80km/h speed. This is especially more evident by the fact that you didn't even abide by it on a rainy day.
ONE MORE TIME:
SPEED LIMITS ARE SET FOR OPTIMAL CONDITIONS, WHEN IT IS DRY & WARM. IF YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT SPEED LIMIT IN THE RAIN OR THE SNOW IT'S YOUR OWN PROBLEM WHEN YOU INEVITABLY CRASH.
And the vast majority of the S2S is not narrow nor is it all that twisty. The lanes on the S2S are actually designed to be 2.5' wider than any standard section of highway in BC.
While the S2S is not a straight stretch of road, it is certainly not located in an urbanized area like Marin Dr. in burnaby, nor does it have the cross walks, and red lights that marine does.
The Canyon portion of the 97C an the 97 which connects Merritt north up to cache creek and onwards up past williams lake, has a speed limit of 110km/h. Major sections of this road are FAR more twisty and treacherous than that of the S2S, and they face far more inclement weather than the S2S year round.
I can't believe people thanked your post, the only good portion of your entire post is that we need inspections of vehicles. The rest of it is complete farce.
but if they raised it people would think 80km on a rainy day is safe since the max is 100km. I was going 90 in a straight stretch when I hydroplaned when i was braking for a corner and slid into the guardrail. I've been that asshole doing 80km along the undivided section during terrible weather and people were riding my ass hardcore. Why would it work better if the speed limit were raised if this is the result? I don't know the current accident/death toll caused by speed on this road, but I can imagine it's high enough to meritt the speed limit.
but if they raised it people would think 80km on a rainy day is safe since the max is 100km. I was going 90 in a straight stretch when I hydroplaned when i was braking for a corner and slid into the guardrail. I've been that asshole doing 80km along the undivided section during terrible weather and people were riding my ass hardcore. Why would it work better if the speed limit were raised if this is the result? I don't know the current accident/death toll caused by speed on this road, but I can imagine it's high enough to meritt the speed limit.
LOL WUT!? Is that how you judge safe speed in adverse weather conditions?
"Well the maximum was 100km/h so I thought 80 was appropriate, even though there was torrential downpour and I couldn't see anything out my window."
What part of this are you not understanding? Ignore the rain and the adverse conditions and all that bullshit.
On a nice summer day, what do you believe to be an appropriate speed limit for the S2S?
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If you say 80km/h because the next day it might rain, I am going to punch a baby.
The Coquihalla is a highway that has a shockingly higher accident and mortality rate then the S2S, in fact it is so terrifying that there was a fucking TV show about it ("Highway to Hell" anyone?). Yet the speed limit remains as 110km/h. Why do you think that is?
Because reducing the speed limit will do absolutely nothing to stoo the overconfident idiots who get themselves into trouble.
If all of the above, and all the other posters who agreed the limit needs to be raised, does not convince you. Here you go:
This was the study done by one of the worlds most foremost traffic authorities, a professional engineer, as well as another professional engineer and an engineer in training. Although the S2S is not in this study as the upgrades were made to the highway after this study had been completed, you will clearly see the direction the study recommended the ministry of transportation take on the matter of speed limits.
That brings me to my final point, and coincidentally also my original point:
Were we all just crazy maniacs for going 80km/h on the S2S before the Olympic upgrades?
I have bolded the two questions I want you to answer, as you missed them the last time I answered your post.
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If people are worried about the section of the highway where these two girls past away. Then so be it, leave that section as 80km/h or even lower that to 70km/h. But to keep a lower speed limit on the rest of the highway because of one section, that is less than 1% of the total highway's length, borders on complete idiocy.
but if they raised it people would think 80km on a rainy day is safe since the max is 100km. I was going 90 in a straight stretch when I hydroplaned when i was braking for a corner and slid into the guardrail. I've been that asshole doing 80km along the undivided section during terrible weather and people were riding my ass hardcore. Why would it work better if the speed limit were raised if this is the result? I don't know the current accident/death toll caused by speed on this road, but I can imagine it's high enough to meritt the speed limit.
Drive relevant to the weather conditions then. Like meme said, the Coquihalla has a far higher death and accident rate than the Sea to Sky and they're actually thinking of increasing the speed limit. Obviously the current 110km/h limit is for summer driving, not when there's a foot of fresh powder around Larson Hill or patches of black ice on the Summit, but people learn to lower their speeds to adapt to the weather. Sure, some people will still go barrelling down the road in snow while exceeding the speed limit, but you can't adapt everything to the lowest common denominator. That's just stupid and impedes the general flow of traffic.
People who never drive the coquihalla don't realize how dangerous a drive it is, regardless of season
Those same people are probably the ones that crash on sea to sky, like lomac said you drive according to conditions not the posted limit. If that's how you gauge your speed please stay away from me on the road lol Posted via RS Mobile
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As far as the general direction the thread is going, YES the speed should be raised on the S2S. Will it happen? Probably not unfortunately. That 60km/h section through Lions Bay is ridiculous and frustrating.
Furthermore, does anybody loathe it as much as me when everyone on the highway speeds up in the passing lanes? If you're going to go 20km/h faster in the passing lane then keep your speed going through the corners that follow.
It's ridiculous, people get into a passing lane and start tearing away from you, then as soon as it ends, time for 20 under again.
It's ridiculous, people get into a passing lane and start tearing away from you, then as soon as it ends, time for 20 under again.
I used to see this every morning & evening when I was travelling to our work site north of williams lake. As soon as the passing lane opens people speed up, when it closes they slow right down. It is the single most frustrating thing in the world. Especially considering I drove that 110km stretch atleast twice a day for 6 months. I knew that road like the back of my hand and people did such stupid things...
The thing is I know they are not doing it on purpose, they do it as a mental reaction, most of the time passing lanes appear when the road becomes wider straighter and flatter. Therefore these people feel more comfortable going a little faster, then as the passing lane closes the road curves a bit more or pitches and they slow down. Not necessarily their fault but certainly frustrating if you are driving a road you know and you are aware there is little reason to slow down after the passing lane.
The Coquihalla is a highway that has a shockingly higher accident and mortality rate then the S2S, in fact it is so terrifying that there was a fucking TV show about it ("Highway to Hell" anyone?).
I'd like to see some facts on this - it doesn't sound right. Prior to the upgrades, the S2S had one of the highest fatality rates per user in Canada. One of the worse stretches of fatalities in Canada is the #1 from Sicamouse to Golden.
Is it actually? I've driven/passangered that stretch countless times and the windy, you're dead if go you off the road stretch AFTER Golden was the worst.
I'd like to see some facts on this - it doesn't sound right. Prior to the upgrades, the S2S had one of the highest fatality rates per user in Canada. One of the worse stretches of fatalities in Canada is the #1 from Sicamouse to Golden.
Not sure about mortality rate on the two highways but the S2S had an average of 215 accidents per year around the year 2000, whereas the Coq had an average of 360 accidents. Those were the newest figures I could find comparing the two. The S2S now has an average of 75 crashes per year, though I can imagine that the Coq is likely around the same number it was a decade ago.
Not sure about mortality rate on the two highways but the S2S had an average of 215 accidents per year around the year 2000, whereas the Coq had an average of 360 accidents. Those were the newest figures I could find comparing the two. The S2S now has an average of 75 crashes per year, though I can imagine that the Coq is likely around the same number it was a decade ago.
Thanks Lomac. Saved me some trouble.
@Zedbra, there was a map and huge table which was released under the freedom of information act, I cannot seem to find it for some reason now.
But basically, historically there was always less accidents on the S2S, but the fatality figures of the two highways were fairly similar. This indicates that the accidents that happened on the S2S were of a more serious nature. However after the renovations for the Olympics the highways are not even comparable in terms of figures anymore. The Coq has massively more accidents year over year and fatality figures are also higher.
Ill see if I can dig up the table again. It is somewhere on the interwebz.
Fak, it's been about 25 years since I drove that route... looks like it hasn't changed AT ALL.
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Not sure about mortality rate on the two highways but the S2S had an average of 215 accidents per year around the year 2000, whereas the Coq had an average of 360 accidents. Those were the newest figures I could find comparing the two. The S2S now has an average of 75 crashes per year, though I can imagine that the Coq is likely around the same number it was a decade ago.
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Thanks Lomac. Saved me some trouble.
@Zedbra, there was a map and huge table which was released under the freedom of information act, I cannot seem to find it for some reason now.
But basically, historically there was always less accidents on the S2S, but the fatality figures of the two highways were fairly similar. This indicates that the accidents that happened on the S2S were of a more serious nature. However after the renovations for the Olympics the highways are not even comparable in terms of figures anymore. The Coq has massively more accidents year over year and fatality figures are also higher.
Ill see if I can dig up the table again. It is somewhere on the interwebz.
Would be interesting to see the comparison as a percentage of actual traffic on the routes, rather than just the straight numbers. I suspect the Coq sees a lot more traffic on the whole, so one would expect a higher number of crashes.
The big difference before the S2S upgrades was, of course, the undivided nature of almost the entire length of the route, so you got a lot of head-ons. Now a good portion of it has a barricade down the middle to prevent that. There also used to be a lot fewer barriers along the sides to keep people going into rock faces or over cliffs... so as you say, the crashes that DID happen, often had far worse results.
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Jesus fuck. I drove that road back in probably 08/09 in the summer. Scary as fuck but my god is it ever gorgeous out there. Some really cool pullout spots.
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Would be interesting to see the comparison as a percentage of actual traffic on the routes, rather than just the straight numbers. I suspect the Coq sees a lot more traffic on the whole, so one would expect a higher number of crashes.
Looks like the Coq has a lot more traffic during the summer. The S2S has heavy traffic during weekends in the winter - but that's understandable. The Coq is also closed a lot more in the winter due to conditions.
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